Maybe the chosen ones could get a sticky thread on the forums where they post all information they get from Frontier?
Frontier have anointed chosen ones again...
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I've an idea. Perhaps they could employ someone to do it, call them 'community manager' and let them do the weighty task of keeping abreast of community thoughts. Oh, late thought, perhaps they could have more than one? *
*apology for the appalling level of sarcasm.
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FYI For anyone that doesn't know us...
I've been playing Elite in various iterations since 1984. I've played ED since the beta. The Buur Pit YouTube channel has been covering Elite for the last 2 years with regular news bulletins every Friday as well as gameplay videos, opinion pieces together with Twitch streams.
I think so far the message has been a bit er...'varied'- not a lot of uniformity in information across sites.
But then....maybe thats the plan? If you want to find out who has the most viewers you would give information that acts as 'markers' so you know where it came from...
Clever......veeeryyy clever
How did you get a picture of the Cybermen's annual Circle Line pub crawl?
If I'm "under the influence" do I win £5 ?
No, you win the pickled liver award.
Ooh. There's no such thing as bad publicity? Nice.
The ministry of propaganda has spoken.
More like No Drinking After (12)
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Gerald Ratner proved that wrong a number of years ago
FWIW whilst it would be nice if many of the influencers tried a bit more impartiality but that is not the world we live in.
Some make a living out of their reputation of being edgy and contrary and as such of course they over egg the negatives, others constantly big up the pluses, try to talk down broken or missing features .
(And some do attempt to be impartial but they seem to be in the minority)
I don't mind it myself I just watch and if it's entertaining and the person not too irritating I stay.
Ultimately we all need to make our own decisions and now the game is out we have the power too...the steam refund policy is our friend.
Exactly and this is not even close to being bad publicity.
"Details of Video game shown to influencers first" isn't going to shock many gamers. It will really signal boost the DLC by getting speculation of what they saw spread around though.
Every single Odyssey post and thread can be directly translated as "I am excited about the DLC and impatient for the next bit of marketing" even the doom-mongering and/or abusive ones.
That's it .. outside!
I actually think there's a place for unbridled positivity, mostly as a result of there being plenty people, not only pointing out there's no such thing as a perfect world, cheers for that, but on accasion doing it whether they play the game or not. Unbridled negativitity, "cos it's cool" is rife so why not encourage voices to express what they like?
Obvously constructive criticism is ideal, hopefully in mind that tear it down too much and commercially there won't be a game to improve. Probably every critique should try to throw in a postive, and vice versa. Then again there's no such thing as a perfect world. Hic.
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Maybe if they didn’t feel the need to employ so many people to manage each community for each game, they could get on with implementing things like VR.
.... I don't think its about the degree of positivity, its about how honestly the positivity reflects the state of the game. The more the positivity doesn't account for the real issues, the more it becomes a personal head keeping activity for the cult members.
There's also a problem with negativity, the one of futility. You get the impression over time that the only reason frontier don't step up and that all that goodwill, is they're simply not going to do anything about it. Management stuff basically. In the best cases, you can only really start talking about something if you're planning on doing it. While at first glance you conclude that they can do something about things, but just hate us, i think its more the other way around, they agree, but they're not given any rope to do anything about it. Both lead to the game not improving + silence. Sorry yeah there's a degree of balancing futility when it comes to constructive feedback (or "negativity" to the positivity cult) as well.
I heard about this back in i think June when it started to leak out on twitter about certain people being approached. This then upset some of those who are respected content creators for elite and had not been approached. It naturally created a feeling that they had been blackballed or ignored because they were not afraid to critique the game, if they felt it was necessary. Whether this was correct will be seen in who of the content creators have been approached.
Personally i would expect every content creator who has accepted an invite into the "Program" to publicly state this on their channel so people can make a judgement call. Hence what Burr Pitt has done is correct and ethical. Frontier should also provide an upto date publicly available list of their "associates".
From Frontiers perspective content creators can as well as providing free marketing for frontier in getting their message out, also give Frontier useful information about the communities frustrations and desires. I therefore hope frontier dont fall into the trap of blackballing some of the more critical creators. Otherwise frontier will end up losing touch with their community.
With regard to the "Gifts" given by Frontier, i think they should be careful on how much they give value wise re these gifts. In some countries this could be construed as an illegal bribe, and could land them and the content creator in deep water. The company i work for has very strict rules on what it can give out, and also accept as gifts to prevent such accusations.
Personally i would expect every content creator who has accepted an invite into the "Program" to publicly state this on their channel so people can make a judgement call. Hence what Burr Pitt has done is correct and ethical. Frontier should also provide an upto date publicly available list of their "associates".
From Frontiers perspective content creators can as well as providing free marketing for frontier in getting their message out, also give Frontier useful information about the communities frustrations and desires. I therefore hope frontier dont fall into the trap of blackballing some of the more critical creators. Otherwise frontier will end up losing touch with their community.
With regard to the "Gifts" given by Frontier, i think they should be careful on how much they give value wise re these gifts. In some countries this could be construed as an illegal bribe, and could land them and the content creator in deep water. The company i work for has very strict rules on what it can give out, and also accept as gifts to prevent such accusations.
The "state of the game" and "real issues" are entirely subjective things.
I think there's no such thing a real issue with ED as it's just a form of optional entertainment I enjoy. If I didn't enjoy it I wouldn't play it or natter on about it.
If you think the devs either hate you or are being secretly prevented from fixing the game it's probably time you logged off for a bit.
In reality you are just another paying customer who should be buying and playing the games you like. The devs also have a more informed view of what the game can and can't do, your "improvements" may be impossible to implement or even just really bad idea's.
Gravitate to the games that you enjoy messing around in and that make you happy, that's what optional entertainment is about.