Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

hairychris

hairychris
Navigare Necesse Est said:
Because they unprofessionalised the business. the customer is now investor, too, but without a say. So they need to lull them in with doublespeak and smokebombs. Repeated lies complete the picture until people start believing that crap. It's kinda the same in the US, imo.
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But they aren't investors, which some backers seem to have misunderstood. They don't own any of CIG except emotionally, maybe.
 

Vetinari

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And they didnt back a game but a company that may or may not produce a game and may or may not fail.....but they arent investors, investors get legal updates about progress or ROI expectations
 

Cairton

Cairton
I read recently that when SC talk about a ship sale they don't mean that you can buy ships at a discount, but simply that you can buy certain ships. I hope I'm wrong.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Cairton said:
I read recently that when SC talk about a ship sale they don't mean that you can buy ships at a discount, but simply that you can buy certain ships. I hope I'm wrong.
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Well, you are more or less right. That is what they mean, although sometimes i think they do give a bit of a discount on some, although usually that is only if you are paying in new money and not "melting" old ships to buy a new one with store credit. They call it "warbond" paying with real cash. Like, give CIG money and once the war is won, you will gain more money back... because its actually nothing like war bonds.
 

Firkrayt

Firkrayt
MTBFritz said:
Scientists all over the world manage to communicte and work on the same basis because they have learned to establish a baseline and adhere to it.
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True, but do scientists understand game development?

Enter Christopher Roberts: now, what is a release baseline anyway?
And "adhere to it"? Autocorrect to "absolve".

Handwavium tier 0, I'm surprised you aren't accustomed with it at this point.
 

MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Firkrayt said:
True, but do scientists understand game development?

Enter Christopher Roberts: now, what is a release baseline anyway?
And "adhere to it"? Autocorrect to "absolve".

Handwavium tier 0, I'm surprised you aren't accustomed with it at this point.
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I keep resisting I guess
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Ok hear me out: Ships should be NFTs on Ethereum to allow for free markets for ships posted:
For some context: I was having a quick joke with my buddy about how much money I've spent in ships. I'm also an Engineer on Ethereum applications, and am into decentralized gaming. He said, "wow you're an idiot, you wasted your money". At that moment it was kind of strange since I never really thought about Ethereum and digtial NFTs, and Star Citizen. I just responded without thinking, "actually this stuff will eventually be tokenized, and I'll likely be able to sell them as digital assets within 4-5 years". It kind of rolled of the tongue so fast I didn't even realize what I said, and I never really thought about Star Citizen ships as investments until now, but I think it's something people should be aware of as SC takes more and more time to build, and as the decentralized gaming space continues to take of. It almost has to tokenize assets in game to compete if it's planning a release in the next 5 years.

The short and sweet: These Star Citizen ships will eventually be tokenized, and they're going to be worth a lot of money on the free market.

I'm not sure if you're into decentralized technologies, but Ethereum has a massive market for NFTs that I'm predicting will be the location of our ships. The narrative is changing in the space where we're planning for an entire economy based on hyperbarterization. The lines between money and goods is blurred in this world, where you can own 5% of a house and claim on it's returns like a money, or you have multiple USD dollars competing as technologies like goods.

Star Citizen is actually taking so long to build, it seems like it will have to tokenize since it will launch in a group of games that inevitably will be connected to the blockchain. Tokenized gaming is going to be pretty massive. All you need is access to the Ethereum network, and you can trade, speculate, etc. Not to mention, it's a massively easy way to remain relevant as gaming switches to free-market items and trading. What better way to drive ship sales than to say, "Look, you can likely sell these things on the free-market later for a higher price". There's a lot to say about the legal implications of this, but since they already take your credit card information on ships, there's nothing stopping them from giving you a transferable NFT that can be associated with an in-game character for ship ownership. You could even have digital organizations (DAOs in our land) that own the NFTs, and have control over the associations, meaning they could "lease" ships to org members or anyone else, while still retaining control of the hull itself.

I just don't think Robert can say no to this. Again, the game is taking so long to build, he's going to have to design new elements of the game to compete with up and coming technologies. An MMO alone just isn't going to cut it anymore if there's a game down the street where people are earning real income playing it. Star Citizen is kind of on track to possibly be a leader in the space if the decision is made to start running with that model, and could rocket adoption even more. I know we're all ship buying degens, but the top could blow off if we add "blockchain" to the "Spaceship MMO". EVE online was huge as people ran and worked in the economy inside the game, but once that economy merges with the real world, things are going to get really weird, really fast. Hope you're all ready for the ride.
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I think his friend hit the nail on the head.

If you don't want people calling SC a scam, the last thing you should bring into the discussion is a technology that is rife with scams.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
A majority of the complaints don't understand that development is exponential in nature and we're only now finishing the first third of the curve.

Post 3.12 to static server meshing is gonna be fun for development. I can't wait.
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I really hope he's trying to claim that development gets faster the more that gets done rather than it takes more time. Otherwise if he's right, he's saying development is going to take decades longer, ultimately reaching the point where it will take years to achieve even a single % towards completion.

However, i feel he has never heard of the 80/20 rule or that as the complexity of a system grows the harder it becomes to maintain.
 

MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Tippis said:
When 6/7ths of your company are wholly useless for making the project the company revolves around progress, you have to give them lots of things to do. Things like not properly aligning animations. That's how.
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Certainly feels like it. Everybody at CIG is hard at work, no doubt about it. It just seems to be "busy work" for the most part and some devs who skipped ship by now attested to that reporting how frustrating working there is when most of your work is trashed or you working in circles because of the lack or deceptive directives coming from management.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
CDPR just released the final official minimum and recommended PC specs to run CP2077...basically, it'll run on a 4 slice toaster with a monitor. It kinda makes a complete joke of Star Citizen with it's 8, 9 or 10 years in development (answers on a postcard, please) and it's peristently increasing hard and software resource sucking requirements. CDPR have stated that although CP2077 will run quite happily from an HDD, they recommend an SSD... ;)

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