Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

ArAsH

ArAsH
Viajero said:
No need to "complain" in order to criticize, point and laugh etc tho ;)
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No offense and just my opinion, but you guys look way too involved to be healthy in this project. But yea, whatever, to each his own, no? If it makes you happy, why not 😁
 

ECity

ECity
They are answering so quickly I can't keep up.

Just kidding. Unless Star Citizen leaks is missing answers, there are only seven answers so far, in 60 minutes.
 

Viajero

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Viajero
ArAsH said:
No offense and just my opinion, but you guys look way too involved to be healthy in this project. But yea, whatever, to each his own, no? If it makes you happy, why not 😁
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I ll have you know that laughter is actually quite a healthy thing! :ROFLMAO:

Seriously though, not surprised about patrons discussing something in depth and follow it as it evolves (or does not evolve as the case may be 😋 ) especially a world breaking crowdfunding record! This topic is actually that interesting.
 
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VR Golgot

VR Golgot
ArAsH said:
No offense and just my opinion, but you guys look way too involved to be healthy in this project. But yea, whatever, to each his own, no? If it makes you happy, why not 😁
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Some would say sticking €350 into a pre-alpha (and doggedly defending that decision) is unhealthy behaviour too friend. But we don’t fun-shame here ;)

SC-watching is just our favourite game :)

Even better than the hoop and stick...

Source: https://youtu.be/kAkbb4DTMK8
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
ArAsH said:
No offense and just my opinion, but you guys look way too involved to be healthy in this project. But yea, whatever, to each his own, no? If it makes you happy, why not 😁
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I find laughter rather good for the soul. Plus not being invested means you have no investment in whether there is a game at the end or not. Yeah, it would be good if SC turned out to be a good game at the end of the day, at least for space sim fans. Considering CRs lies to backers over the years, he doesn't deserve personal success from this. The ideal scenario would be someone else taking over the project, a la Freelancer. That way something might get delivered.
 

ArAsH

ArAsH
Agony_Aunt said:
I find laughter rather good for the soul. Plus not being invested means you have no investment in whether there is a game at the end or not. Yeah, it would be good if SC turned out to be a good game at the end of the day, at least for space sim fans. Considering CRs lies to backers over the years, he doesn't deserve personal success from this. The ideal scenario would be someone else taking over the project, a la Freelancer. That way something might get delivered.
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Wishful thinking, but yea, whatever floats your boat my friend. Anyway, see you guys in let’s say in 15 to 20 pages. I’m sure all you guys are still here talking about the same thing 😁
 

ECity

ECity
The "Pledge" does not apply to SQ42, apparently :D
Chris Roberts:
Tomorrow we’ll be launching the inaugural episode of the “The Briefing Room” a show focused just on Squadron 42, which we are planning to do every quarter (3 months) until Squadron 42 releases, where we will address some of this.

We haven’t been happy with how effectively we’ve been showing progress on Squadron 42, as we felt the previous format didn’t do a good job of all in communicating just how much work is going on. The new roadmap format which we’ve been working towards and on since we announced we would be changing it up will do a much better job in show what people are working on at any given time as opposed to just focusing on deliverable features. I briefly discussed our thinking in https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...atmospheric-room-system-4-years-later/3366441
Squadron 42 is a tricky project to communicate on as we really don’t want to give the experience and story away which can make updating on certain content or features challenging.

We DO give regular updates on Squadron 42, even though we haven’t updated the Squadron 42 Roadmap since the beginning of this year with the monthly reports. The most recent one was earlier this week https://mailchi.mp/cloudimperiumgames/squadron-42-update-143128. We also occasionally have content or feature updates on things that will be in Squadron, as we did with the new Vanduul ships in the Inside Star Citizen Episode: Enemy Mine

We also communicate way more than any other developer or publisher than I am aware of in terms of work and progress on Star Citizen, which is the game “The Pledge” was referring to; We have multiple video shows per week, lore updates, developers regularly engage in the forums, have a weekly newsletter and well as regular monthly reports.

I don’t think the issue is whether we treat our community with respect, as that is core tenet of the entire company, or lack of communication; it’s different people want communication in different forms; some want in depth long talky videos, some want just the sizzle videos with pretty graphics. Some people want huge technical treatises on server meshing and others just want the ELI5 version and finally a lot of people just want to know when a feature or the game will be done.

And I think that’s the crux of the issue; it’s impossible to please all the people all the time, and with a project as complicated as Star Citizen or even Squadron 42 it’s impossible to have iron clad dates due to the huge amount of ongoing R&D.

So yes, I do feel like we have been meeting “The Pledge”.

Does that mean we can’t improve?

No, we can always improve, and if you follow CIG and Star Citizen close enough you will notice that we are always trying new things and tweaking existing processes both in our development approach and structure in how we communicate and share information with all of you. The new Roadmap will be part of this, as will the Briefing Room.
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ECity

ECity
I wonder how many years this will take?
Chris Roberts:
We have some pretty exciting plans on the base building / player settlement front. One of the fall outs of iCache, which we’ve been working on for full persistence of state and location of all dynamic objects in the universe of Star Citizen, is that recording and restoring a building you’ve just constructed is really no different to remembering where you dropped your coffee cup on some distant planet, or which shelf you placed it on in your hab.

Basically, iCache will enable us to allow all of you to settle the stars!

When we first came up with the concept of player built outposts and land claims iCache hadn’t been technically designed, but now we have a system that will have a much higher degree of fidelity in remembering where each building or component is and what state it is in. So rather than just dropping down a singular Outpost, you’ll be able to place down various structures and connect them to things like power generators, turrets, resource collectors, hydroponic domes and so on.

In parallel with this we’ve been working on tools to build settlements or homestead both for our artists / designers (more of a RTS god like view) and players (a first person view).

With this we’ve been rethinking how the Pioneer will work to make her more flexible rather than just spitting out a pre-fabricated outpost we want her to me more of a mobile fabrication facility that would be near your building site. With a Pioneer you’ll be able build these structures without having to ship in the component parts as long as you have a supply of raw materials. You don’t need a Pioneer to build a homestead but if you want to build a decent settlement, or you want to build something relatively quickly as opposed to having to fly in prefabricated components from major landing zones you will want to have a Pioneer, or have a friend or someone that is willing to lend their services to you.

We’re very excited about the gameplay that all of this will provide and can’t wait to see what kind of player settlements sprout up over the huge amount of land area the game has. We will need iCache in and working well before we will see this in the game, so expect to see some updates on this later next year.
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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
ArAsH said:
Wishful thinking, but yea, whatever floats your boat my friend. Anyway, see you guys in let’s say in 15 to 20 pages. I’m sure all you guys are still here talking about the same thing 😁
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Yeah, i suppose it is wishful thinking SC might release one day :D

And of course we will still be talking about the same thing, unless SC happens to release or fail before then.

Looking forward to the SQ42 news tomorrow. I'm sure it will have backers all in a flurry of JPG purchases. And then later, it will turn out that whatever positive news CIG delivered wasn't actually realistic, because, you know, CR isn't the best at judging his own time or that of others, but he can just absolve himself again.
 

Firkrayt

Firkrayt
[VR] Golgot said:
But we don’t fun-shame here
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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
StuartGT said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/j83nr7
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/j83nr7/all_the_answers_from_the_spectrum_ama_with_chris/?
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Summary: (note, questions i've abbreviated)

Q: What is preventing random FPS AI from appearing on planet/moon surfaces
Need tech, will be worked on later. No info about when.

Q: So what's the deal with Theatres of War?
Working on it. No info about when it might be ready

Q: Death of a Spaceman
We will talk about it

Q: How do you envision NPC crew gameplay?
Working on it. No info about when it will be done. Dreams.txt

Q: What is the plan for computers and the blades?
We've discussed it.

Q: what milestones is left to create dynamic missions?
(Proc gen in other words, like ED has) no real info. No info as to when to expect it. Development is hard.

Q: Can we have an update on Quantum and Quantas?
Started to connect stuff. Lots of words with no info as to when it might be fully working.

Q: There are currently 95 systems, 324 planets ....
Not ready to start pumping out systems (guess the pipelines are not ready yet!). Developing assets is hard. Building up team to make systems. No info as to when.

Q: Out of many gameplay loops such as mining ... Which one of these is your favorite
Softball question. Also some blah blah about working on things. No info as to when anything will be delivered.

Q: ...pyro?
Todd: Yes! Non-question, non-answer.

Q: SQ42 is currently 6 years behind its original delivery target.
Massive word salad that doesn't say mich. No info about release. But Chris says he is honouring The Pledge.

Q: Has there been any progress on the plans for data running and hacking?
Not forgotten. No info on when.

Q: Last year at Citizen Con we saw NPC moving between physics grids
Have bugs. No info when will be done.

Q: Are rivers planned? Thanks!
Answer is yes, no info when.

Q: What are the plans to make those systemic missions less repetitive and more engaging?
Blah blah. No info on when.

Q: Hello Chris, Todd, and Tony, I hope everyone is doing well ... Are there plans to introduce regular/randomized "world/universe" events?
Do they keep answering similar questions? Same as other similar ones. Ramp up effort next year. Not any time soon then.

Q: Chris mentioned the Room System in another post
Planning on doing. No when.

Q: Would you implement Pyro without server meshing?
Same time. No mention about when.

Q: Can you elaborate on the current thinking on how base building is supposed to work?
They have plans. iCache needed. Typical CIG: "When we first came up with the concept of player built outposts and land claims iCache hadn’t been technically designed" So, they sold land claims and base building ships before they knew how to deliver in it. Genius! Of course, no reference as to when.

So, around 20 questions, not a single one giving an answer about when something might actually be delivered! So, not only did they tell people not to ask "when" questions, they failed to give any "when" answers.

Well done CIG!
 
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