Yes and thats a trend thats happening too close to home for my liking. But streamers are the new celebrity on TV advertising washing powder or shampoo in some peoples eyes, but for most people they aint a celebrity at all and it always creates backlash. Presumably the figures show overall a ROI though, presumably.
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Yes and thats a trend thats happening too close to home for my liking. But streamers are the new celebrity on TV advertising washing powder or shampoo in some peoples eyes, but for most people they aint a celebrity at all and it always creates backlash. Presumably the figures show overall a ROI though, presumably.
Sure, i'm certain this is a move to increase the money coming in. Pleasing existing backers, who have already paid for the ship, is a lesser consideration.
CIG need money. Lots more money. How many more hundreds of millions do they need to get something half-decent released? How many more hundreds do they need to deliver on everything they have promised?
What they have is nowhere near enough.
The dollars must flow.
I don't know for USA or other countries but streamers in France have a very very big influence on the notoriety of SC.
One of them alone (Joueur du grenier with 800K views) has probably initiated more backers than the whole french gaming press/channels.
Streamers are not standard backers/players, they have a real marketing value. It's not stupid to give them early access (each new video of JdG about SC is between 250K to 350K views).
One of them alone (Joueur du grenier with 800K views) has probably initiated more backers than the whole french gaming press/channels.
Streamers are not standard backers/players, they have a real marketing value. It's not stupid to give them early access (each new video of JdG about SC is between 250K to 350K views).
sorry but you wrote "Generally, streamers with special acces to alpha/beta sign an NDA and have to comply to certain rules edicted by the company"
I presumed you knew streamers that streams alpha or beta games.
That's kind of the point. CIG are using tactics which favour new money over those who have already given CIG money.
As for those streamers, they are probably also responsible for an increase in detractors as well, as they paint an overly flattering view of the game. Some people, after being enticed in, without understanding the history or the real state of the game, will be aghast upon encountering the bugs and crashes, and turn from being fans into "haters".
How nice it has to be to earn money scamming people convincing them to buy an apha showing them only the parts that function (not an easy task) and hiding all the rest..
Sorry not being picky just trying to get to the heart of the matter. Is it that Streamers are themselves influential as in if they say buy something people will buy it? Or is is the experience / fun they have that encourages people to buy? Or is it the 'presentation' of the game itself and how that appeals? Probably a mixture?
For me personally its purely about the game itself, the stream allows me to see the game in action and how it plays, usually with a streamer I enjoy or dont mind listening to. Unless its a 'How To' video when info matters most of all. The streamer themselves is irrelevant in both cases....but Im the same with celebrities I dont get star-struck, they just people.
All commercial companies are using tactics which favour new money over those who have already given them money.
It's business! CIG do it, FDEV do it, Apple do it, EA, Ubisoft, even CDPR do it !
They call it "influencers" these days. And it's a bit of a mixed bag because it's often in the grey area to paid advertisement. Influencers have reach that classic media lost due to social media rising. Streaming, Youtube, Instagram are the platforms for "new marketing".
Whataboutisms are inherently bad arguments.
And it matters because, remember who gave CI¬G all that money they've done nothing with? The ones who are now very clearly low-priority second-tier as far as actually giving them the stuff they've bought…
I used to be in Sales and the amount of promises that werent kept but were made in good faith was untrue. The trick was working for a company that would deliver what they said they would and more importantly what I said they would when I said they would, my name was on it, Im the one the customer remembered and did business with. Its me that would have been lying regardless of if Id been lied to myself by the company. Motto is always check your sources before you put you name on it, if your name matters to you.
2 people make the mistake of not doing it, the con-man working for the con companies that used to fill sales and anything you ever heard is probably true. The 2nd type are the 'innocent' who havent learned yet. They either turn into con men or they drop out and go elsewhere where their name means something.
2 people make the mistake of not doing it, the con-man working for the con companies that used to fill sales and anything you ever heard is probably true. The 2nd type are the 'innocent' who havent learned yet. They either turn into con men or they drop out and go elsewhere where their name means something.
Yeah, the new sandwich men. Quite amusing to see them becoming the main game info channel for many people when few years back there was this big ridiculous drama of entitled crybabies whining after "corrupted unethical gaming press" (AKA: I'm furious because you're not telling me what I want to hear)
If their UK company, the only shell company legally required to post financial information, is any indication, nearly 10% of it is going into the coffers of the Roberts Clan in one form or another. Director renumeration, sales of shares, and sales of IP... one way or another, through the “magic” of Hollywood Accounting, the Roberts Clan is ensuring that they’re getting paid from the gross of this project, not the net.
Which is why I roll my eyes when CIG’s defenders try to claim that this project isn’t a scam, because Chris Roberts didn’t take the Kickstarter money and run. Why should he, when he can “fail” at making a computer game, and get millions from it... all while getting to feed his fantasies of being a big-time Hollywood Director.
Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the streamer bubble bursting? Had no idea it was universal, but its there and its real.
CIG may have also misunderstood the community's relationship to content creators: I guess we don't see them like game journalists, but rather just privileged backers from within our community.
I know I keep banging on abut this but what IP? It was covered in the KS so what extra IP was suddenly sold to and bought from the UK Company exactly and where did it supposedly come from?
CIG may have also misunderstood the community's relationship to content creators: I guess we don't see them like game journalists, but rather just privileged backers from within our community.
I know I keep banging on abut this but what IP? It was covered in the KS so what extra IP was suddenly sold to and bought from the UK Company exactly and where did it supposedly come from?
You don't understand open development! It's is like open relationship, the money can go wherever they want.
It's not gone.
It's right there, in the bank accounts of the Robertseseses real estate agent and local car dealership and furniture store and travel agent.
I mean, where did you expect it to be? In the pockets of the programmers and artists and other irrelevant people? In some kind of long-term capital-preservation vehicle? Invested in facilities, tools, or even staff? Don't be ridiculous.
It's right there, in the bank accounts of the Robertseseses real estate agent and local car dealership and furniture store and travel agent.
I mean, where did you expect it to be? In the pockets of the programmers and artists and other irrelevant people? In some kind of long-term capital-preservation vehicle? Invested in facilities, tools, or even staff? Don't be ridiculous.
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Thank you for understanding and stating that CIG are just as bad as any other publisher out there. Please, I urge you, I implore you, go share your wisdom on /r/sc and Spectrum. Please share the replies!
Furthermore, those companies usually deliver a product or get close before selling the dream. CIG have been raking the cash in for 8 years now, and still not delivered a releasable product.