what is wrong with my progress and particularly mining

Ok how do you know which asteroids you need to mine when don't know anything about them, even not if they do contain any minerals at all?

By prospecting them. It's simple, honestly.

Laser mining - take a hold full of limpets and some mining lasers. Forget the PWA. Drop into hotspot. Fire prospectors at rocks. When rock shows whatever you're trying to mine, deploy collectors. Shoot it. Fly with your collecting minions to the next rock you find with what you're looking for in it. Rinse. Repeat. That's it.

If you really want to check whether this is a technique issue or whatever, do this. Go to GCRV 1568 AB1 ring A. It's not 'thousands of light years' out of the bubble, it's about 100LY from Sol and remember, this is to test something so park what you might usually want to do in-game for an hour in order to do that.

There are two overlapping painite hotspots. Drop into the ring in the overlap. Fire prospectors at rocks. Any rocks you like, pick them however you want. Appealing shapes, big ones, small ones, shiny ones, it's totally your choice.

In your Python with 6 collectors and 128 tons of cargo space, I'd usually say that if you run out of limpets before you fill your hold with Painite, it's you, in which case stick a video up of you mining, including the drop into the ring and we can have a look at exactly what you're doing.

I'm not being facetious there by the way - to give a comparison I mined there in my own Python last weekend. I have 192 tons of hold space and run 8 collectors - I had to jettison about 50 limpets to make room for the Painite and filled my 192 ton hold in about 50 minutes and I wouldn't call that exceptional by any measure. You won't get those yields in a single hotspot but you should get WAY more than you describe from your previous efforts.
 
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Because I wanted to know if I have been making a mistake by tring to mine at places that don't have a suitable quality of resources, I set up for mining last night despite I didn't want to play until Odessey has been released. I have always found that hotspots have, if any, only trace amounts of the mineral the hotspot is indicting, which makes mining totally broken. Last I time I had to mine, it took me about 6 hours to get the 10t Painite for an engineer. Other players seem to be having the same experience while yet others seem to be happyly mining hundreds of tons of minerals within an hour or two.

Perhaps I have made a mistake or not (or lots of mistakes); it has been bugging me enough that I decided to find out. So last night I set up for mining and entered a Musgravite hotspot in a ring in Silikians. The gas giant the ring is around shows as pristine resources. I didn't have much time left and could only do a short survey, and I found the usual picture: There was a single asteroid having a Musgravite core --- which surprised me because they are so rare --- and a bunch of other asteroids that had various kinds of minerals none of which are precious.

Lot of useful answers already, but lets get a bit back to the basics

Laser mining.

You need A-rated prospectors, Collectors (the more the merrier), 2 medium mining lasers, enough storage, refinery, DSS and not at last limpets. Lots of them limpets, like 60-80% of your total cargo capacity

Lets say you want to go painite mining:
According to miners tool you should go to a system with an overlapped double hotspot (Hyades Sector DB-X d1-112 , planet 2 , ring A), scan the ring with the DSS then drop in the middle of the overlapped painite double hotspot. Then you set a general direction and fire prospectors to any asteroid you see.
If it has paininte, more than 20% as prime material, you mine it etc. IF needed abandon some limpets to make room for painite. When full go to a station and sell

Deep Core mining.

You need the same as above with the following differences: no need for mining lasers, you replace them with abrasion laser and seismic charge launcher, you also need PWS (A rated preferably)
You find a preferred material (but make sure you avoid ice rings - they were badly killed in July) and go to a Hotspot.

Now, for core mining, the hotspot will increase the chance of getting cores for that material. You will still get other cores for other materials present in the ring and rng can be nasty.
So again - the hotspot will not increase the number of cores, but the chance that those cores will contain the hotspot material. Even so, bad rng can ruin your day. I remember getting 5 bromellite cores in a row, followed by an alexandrite core in an Void Opal Hotspot. 🤪 - obviously that was back in the days were Ice rings were ok.
A double hotspot for that type of material will increase the chance even more so you'll likely find mostly cores of the hotspot material
A triple hotspot will basically guarantee you will get only cores from the hotspot material.

The cores are usually rather far between - on average you'll get a core every 50 km (for sure the rng can make it so you will find 2 cores within 5km of each other, but that is very rare). So you need a ship that can boost fast and often and of course use the required tricks to make that bugged PWS work.
Once you spot an asteroid that might look like a core - send a prospector, etc... you know the drill (pun intended) :)


I forgot to add - cores are persistent in the ring. An exploded core will be visible between modes and it will stay cracked for days - i think a full week? - until it regenerates
As a comparison - a laser mined asteroid will replenish its content in 2 hours. Laser mined asteroids are not persistent between modes. 10 people can mine the same asteroid, each in his own Solo mode / instance - without any issues for the other miners.
 
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You drop into a hotspot and use a prospector limpet to get the contents of a roid. Laser mining is best done in overlapping hotspots, in the area where the biggest overlap occurs, as the chances of running into a rocks with a good yield is much higher. I usually ignored anything under 20%. I used to take a prospector limpet controller with the ability to have more than 1 active limpet. This gives you a sense of direction. As the rocks are persistent, it is even possible to record the route you take, and mine the exact roids the next time you visit when you find a nice route. Laser mined roids have a respawn rate of 3 hours I believe (it was 2 hours, but they changed it). So a mined surface roid is minable again after 3 hours

Ok then how does it hurt to use PWS to figure out which asteroids the prospector limpets to use on? There's no point in shooting a prospector limpet at every asteroid around you, is there?
 
Ok then how does it hurt to use PWS to figure out which asteroids the prospector limpets to use on? There's no point in shooting a prospector limpet at every asteroid around you, is there?

For laser mining, the PWS is useless.
Its role is to spot anomalies - surface, subsurface and deep core deposits (which are not minable with mining laser)

For laser mining, you dont need a PWS at all - you simply have to shoot prospectors at every asteroid in your path. Hence you need to carry lot of limpets, usually about 60-80% of your cargo capacity
 
Ok then how does it hurt to use PWS to figure out which asteroids the prospector limpets to use on?
It doesn't hurt, but it would only make sense if you have kitted your ship with subsurface missiles, an abrasion blaster and a seismic charge launcher. Because those are the tools for what a PWA is showing you.

There's no point in shooting a prospector limpet at every asteroid around you, is there?
Well, it makes laser mining a lot easier and efficient, but you can also shoot at every rock and see what happens...

Its on youtube, so it did happen:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsL8lJCqjh4
 
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It might be worth suggesting that the OP try out the double LTD hotspot in borann. That'll give you a good idea of how to laser mine in hotspots.

The money I made with mining is from laser mining LTDs in a triple hotspot, so that probably was the same.

The main thing to get from this thread though - you don't need the pwa for laser mining. You find out what rocks to mine by firing prospector limpets at them, and hoping you get some good results.

If I hadn't used the PWS, I would have run out of limpets fast.

Some people get results from going after particular shape and sized rocks, but really it's quite a crapshoot. But going to the double hotspot there will show you what it's like when it's working.

Ok maybe I can find a double hotspot of something pays well and do some laser mining there.

The other main thing, is that core mining is totally different - you need the pwa there, but many like yourself find it to be crappy.

And for core mining, it seems again that hotspots are not very hot. To the point that some miners don't bother. Be prepared to waste a lot of time core mining, unless you're combining the two types. The sweet spot of the hotspot is hotly disputed to exist, and I don't know where it is.

Where there isn't a hotspot, there shouldn't be one indicated. A place with only 2 mineable asteroids in 160km is not a hotspot. It means there is a bug that needs to be fixed.

So, it really depends what you're intention is OP - are you trying to make big money, or are you just starting out with mining?

I started with mining to make good money. While the developers keep messing with the prices, trade is probably a lot better for making money.

Laser and core mining really are very different in terms of what you'll find and where, so I'd suggest trying out laser mining first, so you get used to how prospectors work - they tell you what is in a rock, and will double or triple what you get from it - can't remember the numbers, but don't go if you don't have a prospector is the takeaway message from this.

And why not just use the PWS to see which asteroids to use the prospectors on?

But let us know what you want to achieve and attain and we can help. Otherwise it's just a big field of rocks until you have had a good couple of practice runs. Good luck OP.

Thanks. I'd like to see the hotspot bug fixed. Otherwise it's just a field of rocks with no minerals to mine.
 
And why not just use the PWS to see which asteroids to use the prospectors on?
Because an orange glowing roid tells something about the availability of a core or sub surface deposits, it does not say anything about what the rest of the roid is made off. A 50% painite roid can be shown as dull as dishwater by the PWA, while a bright orange glowing roid can indeed contain 30% of painite, but thats not the reason why the PWA showed you that roid. The roid was shown to you because it contained a minable core or deposits, forever out of reach for your mining lasers.
 
So I think a clear answer to the OP is that a hotspot does NOT only have trace amounts of the mineral.

Like which one?

You can definitely drop into a hotspot and not find any cores.

So you are confirming the bug. I only wish I could report it.

I started playing a few weeks ago. Started with a sidewinder, worked my way into a Cobra MK III and now I am using a Python. I usually find my own hotspots because I like exploring, but you can easily use eddb.io to find one near you. This is my ship: https://s.orbis.zone/apcY. I just start out with 100 limpets and warp to the hotspot, drop down, wait for pirates to leave, set destination to planet and start moving slowly through the field. I have my right mouse set to fire a prospector, and my left mouse set to both mining lasers AND collector limpets. I move in a straight line towards the planet and fire prospector limpets until I fine one I like. I am NOT picky. if its medium density or better and has a combined total 30% of decent minerals (platinum, osnium, painite, etc) I laser it and refine it. Takes about 4 minutes. Then I hunt for more. As my limpets run low I may get less picky and start mining anything with good minerals in it. In about an hour I have 128t of minerals.

That's what I did, as can be seen in the video, except that I didn't laser mine. Even if I had laser mined every asteroid having minerals I used a prospector limpet on, it wouldn't have refined 128t of minerals.

And to mine all kinds of minerals, I would need to switch a bigger refinery because the small one I'm using to mine for (a) particular mineral(s) would plug up all the time.

Currently, the prices keep chaning so that I never know which other minerals than the one I want to mine may be worth. The average price on the cargo panel isn't helpful at all and only misleading.

usually whatever "hotspot" type this is I will have more than 50 percent of my cargo. Let's say that its 60% plantinum, with the rest as (hopefully) minerals that I can get more than 100K/t for.

Usually, whatever so-called hotspot I go to, there are no minerals to mine except trace amounts sometimes.

Then I treat the selling of the goods as the next fun part. I usually try to sell the better item first, then find my next stop, use Single Route Finder - EDDB to find a commodity to buy and take with me (if I sold 70t of platinum at my first stop I buy 70t of a commodity that will sell for a good price in the next stop.

That's one of the things that need to be within the game. It sucks when you have to swith the monitor between the xbox and the computer to use such tools. ED is very badly made in that regard.

So in the end, in about 2 hours I will make a pretty modest 30-50mil depending on my luck. I am very laid back about it all. I know that is very low income for some, but it is high enough for me that I can choose not to do it if I don't want to. A few sessions and I put together a nice little asp explorer for unlocking engineers (which I am doing now) or get a nice little combat ship for combat missions. Anyway I am way off topic.

When I want to make money, I want to make way more than that. Money in ED is only two things to me: Lots of it are needed to do what I want in the game, so it's something that gets in the way and is difficult and frustrating to make, especially when you have to go mining for it. When I do something fun instead of making money, it's even more fun when I can make lots of money with it, and it doesn't matter if I need the money or not.

TLDR Yes, hotspots has lots of minerals. They are spread out and hard to find, but not as hard to find as in non-hotspots.

Top level Duranium residues?
 
Just because you can't find the cores doesn't mean its a bug. It is an Easter egg hunt. And regarding the PWA. It doesn't show you the type or amount of minerals for laser mining. You could be surrounded by 100mil in laser minable asteroids and the PWA and it will show you nothing. This is also not a bug. It is the wrong tool for that. You need to use prospecting limpets, one per asteroid.
 
Take 3/4 of your cargo hold as limpets. (yes take 300 limpets if that is 3/4 of your cargo hold)
Target the planet when you drop into a hotspot.
Always fly towards the planet when prospecting. (so you dont prospect where you have already been)
Fire a prospector at any rock you want.
If its got a good % (>25% is good), deploy all your collectors.
Hit the asteroid with your mining lasers and dont stop UNTIL it says depleted in the prospector info window. (always keep the prospector targeted do not target chunks)
Wait till your collectors collect all the Ore.
Add any ores you dont want to the Ignore list, from the contacts window.
Move to another roid to prospect.
When "Cargo Hold Full" message appears check to see if you have many limpets left, if you do, ABANDON some of them, to make room for more Ore.
Keep going until you have no more limpets.
Sell the stuff !
 
Ok then how does it hurt to use PWS to figure out which asteroids the prospector limpets to use on? There's no point in shooting a prospector limpet at every asteroid around you, is there?

Because the PWS only tells you whether a roid has a core, which has nothing at all to do with laser mining. It's a complete irrelevance. It has no more bearing on whether you identify a rock with 60% laser mineable painite than flying with your ship lights on or off does. There is no correlation whatsoever between whether a rock has a core and whether it is packed with laser mineable resources.

So you are confirming the bug. I only wish I could report it.

Look. Even in a hotspot core are rare. You're not going to find a core every five rocks. Not in a hotspot, not anywhere. One of the reasons I don't bother with core mining is that I don't enjoy spending time just flying in a straight line honking away with the PWS when I could be spending the same time hoovering precious stuff into my hold via laser mining. I've never seen a hotspot with zero; however I certainly have seen a hotspot with very few and that's not a bug - it's a fact of life.
 
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Just because you can't find the cores doesn't mean its a bug. It is an Easter egg hunt. And regarding the PWA. It doesn't show you the type or amount of minerals for laser mining. You could be surrounded by 100mil in laser minable asteroids and the PWA and it will show you nothing. This is also not a bug. It is the wrong tool for that. You need to use prospecting limpets, one per asteroid.

Then it should be called 'easter egg search place' or something like that and not 'hotspot'. It simply is not a hotspot.

Right, I tried it and found that I forgot that the PWA doesn't show the asteroids. It actually was a hotspot, and I was reminded how boring and tedious laser mining is. And they want to make it pay even less? Ugh ...
 
Take 3/4 of your cargo hold as limpets. (yes take 300 limpets if that is 3/4 of your cargo hold)
Target the planet when you drop into a hotspot.
Always fly towards the planet when prospecting. (so you dont prospect where you have already been)
Fire a prospector at any rock you want.
If its got a good % (>25% is good), deploy all your collectors.
Hit the asteroid with your mining lasers and dont stop UNTIL it says depleted in the prospector info window. (always keep the prospector targeted do not target chunks)
Wait till your collectors collect all the Ore.
Add any ores you dont want to the Ignore list, from the contacts window.
Move to another roid to prospect.
When "Cargo Hold Full" message appears check to see if you have many limpets left, if you do, ABANDON some of them, to make room for more Ore.
Keep going until you have no more limpets.
Sell the stuff !

Right --- the problem is that asteroids that have 25% or more content are extremely rare ...
 
Right --- the problem is that asteroids that have 25% or more content are extremely rare ...

........... ninja'd bt Lightspeed (earning his name there)!

OP I mean this as kindly as possible but YT tutorial vids might be your best reference point.

I appreciate you want to get all your info on here or in game, but the sheer numbers of questions/ problems you're having suggest little to no understanding of basic mining techniques.

A 10 minute D2EA visual aid would have been much quicker at this point.
 
fyi there are substantial yield boosts in res sites (higher the difficulty bigger the boost).

for reference good rock in haz res (I consider good roid having 30% and more of what I mine) will fetch you 20 to 40 tons.

outside res you max out at 15t or so. its a good alternative to overlapping hotspots, especially if you find a res inside a hotspot. been mining platinum like this for couple days (at some 200 to 250 t per 30 minutes).
 
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If you really want to check whether this is a technique issue or whatever, do this. Go to GCRV 1568 AB1 ring A. It's not 'thousands of light years' out of the bubble, it's about 100LY from Sol and remember, this is to test something so park what you might usually want to do in-game for an hour in order to do that.

Ok, I tried that for an hour --- it's not like I'm doing anything in the game --- and the outcome is:

Osmium 1
Silver 4
Platinum 6
Gold 17
Praseodymium 2
Painite 61
Samarium 3

These minerals sold for a measly 5681700 credits at a nearby station showing the highest prices in the market interface. If I had more collectors, I'd probably get some more. I've been ignoring contents under 25%.

I can't tell if there is a technical issue because I didn't discover these hotspots. It's definitely a bug when a place is designated as a hotspot and there isn't an abundance of the indicated mineral there. Two asteroids with 17t of minerals in total don't make a place a hotspot.

The boring video is here: https://enpt.hopto.org/2020-11-28-ED-00.mp4

Mining needs to be automated.
 
The cores are usually rather far between - on average you'll get a core every 50 km

That also confirms the bug.

Why did they even put mining into the game when it's so bad? Obviously they don't want us to make money with it, it's very buggy, laser mining is painfully boring, we still don't have mining machines to deploy on planets and no automated mining. Is it supposed to be a joke?
 
No they are not.

They are.

Pick a number of arbitrary systems having rings, go to a random so-called hotspot there and fly 100km through the hotspot in a loosly straight line and keep track of how many of the asteroids you find are having mineral contents of at least 25% and how many of those have the mineral indicated by the hotspot. You'll probably find that most have less then 15% and are probably below 10%.
 
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