Enjoying this awesome game without grinding

I was flying around these days in a certain system in order to unlock one of the engineers, the one with the FSD drive improvement, when I noticed one of those new carriers sitting around the system, next to 30 other exactly same carriers. It's name was 'The reason we grind'.. Hmm.. I thought to myself, what a shame so many people are lost chasing 'the next unlock & accomplishment' and once they achieve the ultimate one, they just leave it standing there doing nothing. This was after chatting a bit in the system chats with various people and noticing a prevailing trend. Lots of people seem to complain about 'long travels' & 'grinding'. Hmm.

Now don't get me wrong. I've been there done that. Back in 1999 when I played my first MMORPG - Ultima Online, I made sure to meticulously study every nook & cranny on online forums such as these before even entering the game, until I got the most high end stuff possible. Then I just went PvPing day & night until I perfected my skills as well. Then one day, I just quit because there was nothing else to do. Looking back, I wish I had spent more time just enjoying the scenery and just enjoying the game at the lower levels. Once you have a high end character, it is not easy to go back and enjoy the lower level stuff. I also spent few years designing an MMORPG UO shard, so I know all the mechanics of gameplay that try to keep people busy for the sake of keeping them busy. Don't fall for those traps, take it slow and enjoy the journey.

Before I played Ultima Online, I had played another game with a huge world. That game was Elite 3 - The First Encounters. The release I had was buggy as hell but I played it day and night. Always looking forward about coming from school and reading the last edition of the galactic newspapers while cruising in super speed to the next planet. I finished the game again in 2006, then 2015 and lastly 2 years ago.

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Two weeks ago, when I heard that Elite Dangerous was going for free on Epic I couldn't wait to give it a try. I had hesitated in the past because I had put my MMORPG days behind me. Being married with a full time job and a toddler daughter, the days are long gone of power gaming 12 hours a day and pwning noobs. These days I am lucky to get maybe 2 or 3 hours per day for gaming during the week. So with Epic giving it for free.. I said to myself I've got nothing to lose.

I have to say I am extremely positively surprised this game is very much playable and enjoyable with no grinding or MMORPG chasing for the 'next unlock'. I don't mean to criticize players who go for the power gaming. To be honest, If I had the time to game 8-12 hours a day.. sure.. I would've probably went to become an end game PvP player but here I want to offer a different perspective a different way of approaching the game and maybe inspire few other fathers of just stopping and smelling the roses instead of feeling bad for not having enough time to get an Anaconda.

First and foremost, get your motivations for playing this game right. Is this the right game for you? As a big fan of Elite 3, for me there was no doubt. The only thing I hoped for is that the game would not be too 'modernized' with lots of cut scenes and few mini games in between. Luckily, the core gameplay of Elite is still here. I am missing a bit of a story layer, something like Freelancer would've been nice but then again, storytelling was never what made Elite the best game ever (based on some people that include me)

In my case, I love this game for two reasons. First, I just love space. I've always been an astronomy buff so having 1:1 scale & Newtonian physics (most of the time) is just such a big blast. Circling that planet and feeling its gravity is more than enough for me. I don't care if I am in a sidewinder or in an Anaconda, the experience is mostly the same.

The second reason is I just love blowing other ships up. Ideally I would love to do it in PvP but I don't have the time for that. So Resource Extraction zones and bounties have so far provided more than enough of that with over 40 ships shot down.

What I discovered real fast is that the level of grinding to achieve these two goals were absolutely minimal. Basically zero. I spent few hours in my sidewinder learning the controls, doing some Boom delivery missions and in no time I had the opportunity to buy my all time favourite ship (from Elite 3). But of course, the legendary Cobra MK3. I used to fly it there with a class 3 Military Drive which offered a record 27 Ly of jump.

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Several Boom delivery missions later, with some planet landings and recoveries in between, which I enjoyed a lot as it allowed me to jump across 20 different systems I slowly but surely maxed out all the upgrades of my favorite ship. Then I got really lucky with having a Boom delivery of 54 Tritium for about 6.5 million which at this level is a LOT of money. I had to store my shield in storage and just take the risk. Got interdicted TWICE doing this run and I almost didn't make it but the experience was awesome. The lack of saving in this game meant an adrenaline rush that I haven't felt since the days of Ultima Online.

So here I am with over 17 hours played in the game, not being bored at all. I refuse to grind even if it means I will likely be playing the next 50-100 hours in the Cobra MK3. Having some bounty sessions in between, unlocking some engineers and slowly improving the ship to its maxed out state. I hate mining though so quite likely I will never gather all the required materials. Perhaps I will unlock the Guardians stuff as well. I try not to read too many guides or watch too many videos. What is the point of reading a book or watching a movie if you check all the spoilers on the internet first? I try to explore and discover most of the stuff alone and rely on a guide only when I get stuck. Then there is the whole discovery path. I look forward with visiting some far away star systems and just enjoying the astronomical background of the game. Playing some of the lore in the Codex seems also like a nice thing I should do. Then also visiting Sol and landing on the moon might be fun.. so there is a motivation for blowing a lot of ships up to get my Elite status. All of this is going to ensure lots and lots of fun... with no grinding.

Some people say the game is not very suited for casual players. I disagree. It is all about having a certain attitude towards the game. In some ways it is actually perfect for casual players. I can jump in for couple of hours at a time in Solo mode, do few missions, dock and go to sleep.

You may say .. oh but wait until you get to 1000 hours, you will get bored. Well.. this is a video game after all. Very few video games should be interesting past 200 hours played. If I get bored after 200 hours I would just say... Amazing job David Braben, you have managed to keep me at a game for longer that 99% of the rest of video games I've ever played.
 
You may say .. oh but wait until you get to 1000 hours, you will get bored. Well.. this is a video game after all. Very few video games should be interesting past 200 hours played. If I get bored after 200 hours I would just say... Amazing job David Braben, you have managed to keep me at a game for longer that 99% of the rest of video games I've ever played.
Well...
After playing for about 1000 hours I thought to myself: ok, now I'll give combat a try.

I have well over 3000 hrs now and just started new account (that I got on Epic), thoroughly and slowly enjoying the game from the lowly beginnings.
There's absolutely nowhere to rush to in this game.

Good post. That kind of attitude should be promoted (y)
 
thanks for sharing!

you know what, I'm saying since years that you can experience, enjoy and survive all of the game in cobra mkIII. back then (~2016) it used to be around 20 hours to a-rate one.

interesting that it took you almost that long.

so much for grinding.

and with engineering and guardian modules the cobra gets again that capable ship i remember it to be.

recently ObiW killed an thargoid interceptor in one (fully engineered and outfitted with guardian stuff... i didn't think it possible).

and to give you some outlook - once your toddler goes to college, you'll have a lot more time ... speaking from experience :)
 
I was flying around these days in a certain system in order to unlock one of the engineers, the one with the FSD drive improvement, when I noticed one of those new carriers sitting around the system, next to 30 other exactly same carriers. It's name was 'The reason we grind'.. Hmm.. I thought to myself, what a shame so many people are lost chasing 'the next unlock & accomplishment' and once they achieve the ultimate one, they just leave it standing there doing nothing. This was after chatting a bit in the system chats with various people and noticing a prevailing trend. Lots of people seem to complain about 'long travels' & 'grinding'. Hmm.

Now don't get me wrong. I've been there done that. Back in 1999 when I played my first MMORPG - Ultima Online, I made sure to meticulously study every nook & cranny on online forums such as these before even entering the game, until I got the most high end stuff possible. Then I just went PvPing day & night until I perfected my skills as well. Then one day, I just quit because there was nothing else to do. Looking back, I wish I had spent more time just enjoying the scenery and just enjoying the game at the lower levels. Once you have a high end character, it is not easy to go back and enjoy the lower level stuff. I also spent few years designing an MMORPG UO shard, so I know all the mechanics of gameplay that try to keep people busy for the sake of keeping them busy. Don't fall for those traps, take it slow and enjoy the journey.

Before I played Ultima Online, I had played another game with a huge world. That game was Elite 3 - The First Encounters. The release I had was buggy as hell but I played it day and night. Always looking forward about coming from school and reading the last edition of the galactic newspapers while cruising in super speed to the next planet. I finished the game again in 2006, then 2015 and lastly 2 years ago.

Two weeks ago, when I heard that Elite Dangerous was going for free on Epic I couldn't wait to give it a try. I had hesitated in the past because I had put my MMORPG days behind me. Being married with a full time job and a toddler daughter, the days are long gone of power gaming 12 hours a day and pwning noobs. These days I am lucky to get maybe 2 or 3 hours per day for gaming during the week. So with Epic giving it for free.. I said to myself I've got nothing to lose.

I have to say I am extremely positively surprised this game is very much playable and enjoyable with no grinding or MMORPG chasing for the 'next unlock'. I don't mean to criticize players who go for the power gaming. To be honest, If I had the time to game 8-12 hours a day.. sure.. I would've probably went to become an end game PvP player but here I want to offer a different perspective a different way of approaching the game and maybe inspire few other fathers of just stopping and smelling the roses instead of feeling bad for not having enough time to get an Anaconda.

First and foremost, get your motivations for playing this game right. Is this the right game for you? As a big fan of Elite 3, for me there was no doubt. The only thing I hoped for is that the game would not be too 'modernized' with lots of cut scenes and few mini games in between. Luckily, the core gameplay of Elite is still here. I am missing a bit of a story layer, something like Freelancer would've been nice but then again, storytelling was never what made Elite the best game ever (based on some people that include me)

In my case, I love this game for two reasons. First, I just love space. I've always been an astronomy buff so having 1:1 scale & Newtonian physics (most of the time) is just such a big blast. Circling that planet and feeling its gravity is more than enough for me. I don't care if I am in a sidewinder or in an Anaconda, the experience is mostly the same.

The second reason is I just love blowing other ships up. Ideally I would love to do it in PvP but I don't have the time for that. So Resource Extraction zones and bounties have so far provided more than enough of that with over 40 ships shot down.

What I discovered real fast is that the level of grinding to achieve these two goals were absolutely minimal. Basically zero. I spent few hours in my sidewinder learning the controls, doing some Boom delivery missions and in no time I had the opportunity to buy my all time favourite ship (from Elite 3). But of course, the legendary Cobra MK3. I used to fly it there with a class 3 Military Drive which offered a record 27 Ly of jump.


Several Boom delivery missions later, with some planet landings and recoveries in between, which I enjoyed a lot as it allowed me to jump across 20 different systems I slowly but surely maxed out all the upgrades of my favorite ship. Then I got really lucky with having a Boom delivery of 54 Tritium for about 6.5 million which at this level is a LOT of money. I had to store my shield in storage and just take the risk. Got interdicted TWICE doing this run and I almost didn't make it but the experience was awesome. The lack of saving in this game meant an adrenaline rush that I haven't felt since the days of Ultima Online.

So here I am with over 17 hours played in the game, not being bored at all. I refuse to grind even if it means I will likely be playing the next 50-100 hours in the Cobra MK3. Having some bounty sessions in between, unlocking some engineers and slowly improving the ship to its maxed out state. I hate mining though so quite likely I will never gather all the required materials. Perhaps I will unlock the Guardians stuff as well. I try not to read too many guides or watch too many videos. What is the point of reading a book or watching a movie if you check all the spoilers on the internet first? I try to explore and discover most of the stuff alone and rely on a guide only when I get stuck. Then there is the whole discovery path. I look forward with visiting some far away star systems and just enjoying the astronomical background of the game. Playing some of the lore in the Codex seems also like a nice thing I should do. Then also visiting Sol and landing on the moon might be fun.. so there is a motivation for blowing a lot of ships up to get my Elite status. All of this is going to ensure lots and lots of fun... with no grinding.

Some people say the game is not very suited for casual players. I disagree. It is all about having a certain attitude towards the game. In some ways it is actually perfect for casual players. I can jump in for couple of hours at a time in Solo mode, do few missions, dock and go to sleep.

You may say .. oh but wait until you get to 1000 hours, you will get bored. Well.. this is a video game after all. Very few video games should be interesting past 200 hours played. If I get bored after 200 hours I would just say... Amazing job David Braben, you have managed to keep me at a game for longer that 99% of the rest of video games I've ever played.

07 Right on Cmdr.

I'm a founder and this is the same spirit I've adhered to since launch.

Never grind. Just play.

I've tasted most of the big ships, know how to rank up, engineer etc but I'm sticking with my Cobra mk iii. Last year I hit 'Dangerous'; my 84 rank, I've taken my merry time and enjoyed every second. Playing. Not grinding.
 
Myself and this game have a tempestuous relationship.

The most recent quit was due to a PP snafu, I thought I had more merits than I did and the Thursday came and I got peasant money......no Packhounds either.

So the game was immediately uninstalled and still is.

Time before that, it was the engineer grind.

I don't find it all that grindy compared to most videojobs out there but it just has compound nonsense that makes me not want to bother with it for a while at times.

I'm generally in it for the dakka but that doesn't pay plus SW Squadrons has space pew pew covered anyway.
 
Right on Commander o7

Edit* I should also say that I only have one Elite rank and it's the one I care about the most, which is Exploration. It took me 3 years to get it :)

Same here, the only other rank above noob is trade, which I basically got earning money for my first decent exploration ship and stuff. I can't be bother trying to level up combat or (shudder) CQC!
 
I've tried to enjoy the game without grinding too, but then I always buy a new ship and I develop an itch near my rectum until I fully engineer it. It keeps me awake some nights.

Maybe someday I'll be able to just enjoy the game. When I run out of ideas for new ships.
 
I love when people have the balls to teach me how to live my life.

I love it when people are so defensive they feel threatened by messages not even aimed at them from People they’ve never met.

I have two accounts one bought back in Alpha and the other bought after a Horizons sale about three years ago.

The first account started off slowly in the starter “galaxy” when there were only a few dozen stars (55 or so), expanded to 200 or 300 systems and finally the galaxy was opened.

Though I didn’t grind, I methodically worked through all of the game aspects, trading, bounty hunting, a spot of laser mining and exploring and it took a round year to achieve an Anaconda. And the feeling was truly glorious.

After a couple of years of play, the strange “RNGeesus” Engineers beta left a bitter taste in my mouth so before it was slated for release, I embarked on leaving the Bubble and sending my avatar around the outer rim of the galaxy. It was also at a difficult time in my life and the three months and 10,000 Jumps it took helped me escape for a few hours every night.

Again reaching Beagle point and looking back 65 Kylies to Sol was another incredible experience of commensurate emotional feedback for the journey. Another win for Elite.

But it wasn’t over, I could straightline him back to Sol or continue on the much longer second half of my rim voyage. So putting Sol aside I sent him around the edge once more for the return journey.

Yet again, another exquisite gaming moment awaited: coming back to the Bubble with hundreds of thousands of scans that needed claiming I sent my dude around the bubble to all the relevant engineers that would accept data and offloaded my painstakingly acquired data at systems where I wanted permits all while doing my utmost to avoid interceptions and random encounters that put literally months of gameplay progress at risk. The adrenaline high was such a contrast to the the calm of endless exploration.

Finally, somewhere along the way, he achieved Elite rank and settled down...

At the end of the day, what I loved most was just flying around and coming in to land at a space station the end of a journey.

As a kid playing 84 Elite, I could only imagine what happened once you flew through the rectangular slot of the wireframe Coriolis so the feeling of flying into a city... in VR was everything I had imagined it would be. The sounds, the bustling motion of other spaceship, the cyberpunk-esq advertising and ominous warnings of destruction for even minor infringements.

Just beautiful.

I have spent more time in ED than in any other game... by a country mile just by virtue of the sense of scale of actually being in a massive galaxy in VR.

I for one will be back when / if Odyssey ever gets VR.

Is the game perfect? Hell no!! Can it deliver the goods if you’re in the right mindset? Hell yeah!
 
I was flying around these days in a certain system in order to unlock one of the engineers, the one with the FSD drive improvement, when I noticed one of those new carriers sitting around the system, next to 30 other exactly same carriers. It's name was 'The reason we grind'.. Hmm.. I thought to myself, what a shame so many people are lost chasing 'the next unlock & accomplishment' and once they achieve the ultimate one, they just leave it standing there doing nothing. This was after chatting a bit in the system chats with various people and noticing a prevailing trend. Lots of people seem to complain about 'long travels' & 'grinding'. Hmm.

Now don't get me wrong. I've been there done that. Back in 1999 when I played my first MMORPG - Ultima Online, I made sure to meticulously study every nook & cranny on online forums such as these before even entering the game, until I got the most high end stuff possible. Then I just went PvPing day & night until I perfected my skills as well. Then one day, I just quit because there was nothing else to do. Looking back, I wish I had spent more time just enjoying the scenery and just enjoying the game at the lower levels. Once you have a high end character, it is not easy to go back and enjoy the lower level stuff. I also spent few years designing an MMORPG UO shard, so I know all the mechanics of gameplay that try to keep people busy for the sake of keeping them busy. Don't fall for those traps, take it slow and enjoy the journey.

Before I played Ultima Online, I had played another game with a huge world. That game was Elite 3 - The First Encounters. The release I had was buggy as hell but I played it day and night. Always looking forward about coming from school and reading the last edition of the galactic newspapers while cruising in super speed to the next planet. I finished the game again in 2006, then 2015 and lastly 2 years ago.

Two weeks ago, when I heard that Elite Dangerous was going for free on Epic I couldn't wait to give it a try. I had hesitated in the past because I had put my MMORPG days behind me. Being married with a full time job and a toddler daughter, the days are long gone of power gaming 12 hours a day and pwning noobs. These days I am lucky to get maybe 2 or 3 hours per day for gaming during the week. So with Epic giving it for free.. I said to myself I've got nothing to lose.

I have to say I am extremely positively surprised this game is very much playable and enjoyable with no grinding or MMORPG chasing for the 'next unlock'. I don't mean to criticize players who go for the power gaming. To be honest, If I had the time to game 8-12 hours a day.. sure.. I would've probably went to become an end game PvP player but here I want to offer a different perspective a different way of approaching the game and maybe inspire few other fathers of just stopping and smelling the roses instead of feeling bad for not having enough time to get an Anaconda.

First and foremost, get your motivations for playing this game right. Is this the right game for you? As a big fan of Elite 3, for me there was no doubt. The only thing I hoped for is that the game would not be too 'modernized' with lots of cut scenes and few mini games in between. Luckily, the core gameplay of Elite is still here. I am missing a bit of a story layer, something like Freelancer would've been nice but then again, storytelling was never what made Elite the best game ever (based on some people that include me)

In my case, I love this game for two reasons. First, I just love space. I've always been an astronomy buff so having 1:1 scale & Newtonian physics (most of the time) is just such a big blast. Circling that planet and feeling its gravity is more than enough for me. I don't care if I am in a sidewinder or in an Anaconda, the experience is mostly the same.

The second reason is I just love blowing other ships up. Ideally I would love to do it in PvP but I don't have the time for that. So Resource Extraction zones and bounties have so far provided more than enough of that with over 40 ships shot down.

What I discovered real fast is that the level of grinding to achieve these two goals were absolutely minimal. Basically zero. I spent few hours in my sidewinder learning the controls, doing some Boom delivery missions and in no time I had the opportunity to buy my all time favourite ship (from Elite 3). But of course, the legendary Cobra MK3. I used to fly it there with a class 3 Military Drive which offered a record 27 Ly of jump.


Several Boom delivery missions later, with some planet landings and recoveries in between, which I enjoyed a lot as it allowed me to jump across 20 different systems I slowly but surely maxed out all the upgrades of my favorite ship. Then I got really lucky with having a Boom delivery of 54 Tritium for about 6.5 million which at this level is a LOT of money. I had to store my shield in storage and just take the risk. Got interdicted TWICE doing this run and I almost didn't make it but the experience was awesome. The lack of saving in this game meant an adrenaline rush that I haven't felt since the days of Ultima Online.

So here I am with over 17 hours played in the game, not being bored at all. I refuse to grind even if it means I will likely be playing the next 50-100 hours in the Cobra MK3. Having some bounty sessions in between, unlocking some engineers and slowly improving the ship to its maxed out state. I hate mining though so quite likely I will never gather all the required materials. Perhaps I will unlock the Guardians stuff as well. I try not to read too many guides or watch too many videos. What is the point of reading a book or watching a movie if you check all the spoilers on the internet first? I try to explore and discover most of the stuff alone and rely on a guide only when I get stuck. Then there is the whole discovery path. I look forward with visiting some far away star systems and just enjoying the astronomical background of the game. Playing some of the lore in the Codex seems also like a nice thing I should do. Then also visiting Sol and landing on the moon might be fun.. so there is a motivation for blowing a lot of ships up to get my Elite status. All of this is going to ensure lots and lots of fun... with no grinding.

Some people say the game is not very suited for casual players. I disagree. It is all about having a certain attitude towards the game. In some ways it is actually perfect for casual players. I can jump in for couple of hours at a time in Solo mode, do few missions, dock and go to sleep.

You may say .. oh but wait until you get to 1000 hours, you will get bored. Well.. this is a video game after all. Very few video games should be interesting past 200 hours played. If I get bored after 200 hours I would just say... Amazing job David Braben, you have managed to keep me at a game for longer that 99% of the rest of video games I've ever played.
Eh, I have 4000 hours but a lot of its in super cruise while I look at or place something else.


Most of the game time is travel bloat is what Im saying. Actual time spent doing things is roughly half that, which is about average for me in these kinds of games.
 
At lauch there was a lot of grinding. It took months to get a conda.

Right now it’s mostly engineering and ranks that are a chore.

In short yeah it got better.
Its only a grind if you make it one. At launch, when making money was much, much slower than it is now, I looked at the price of an Anaconda and surmised It would be a long time before I would be able to afford one, if ever and was fine with that idea. In my mind, the galaxy feels much more real if people are flying a variety of ships from small starter ships right up to huge end-game ones, if everyone is flying the biggest/most expensive ship something is wrong.

I flew out to Colonia in a mining equipped Asp, with 30LY jump range when Jaques was first found out there and did the CGs to get the station up and running again, then flew on to Sag A* before returning to the bubble. Got my Elite exploration rank, way before passenger missions and bigger pay-outs for exploration data were a thing, then got bored and left the game - as I have several times since.

Largely ignored RNGineers but have slowly added engineering to most of my ships since they changed the Engineers to at least give predictable, repeatable outcomes, would still rather they weren't added into the game in the first place though.

I come back from time-to-time, when I get the itch to fly a spaceship again and have a wander around (as I did a couple of months back), seeing what has changed since the last time I was here. Never paid much attention to making money - quite often I'll end an evening's play session having made no money at all, just because I'm sightseeing, or (re)outfitting a ship. I finally hit 1bn credits in my account and trade Elite during last month's CG hauling goods to the Alliance in the Coalsack Nebula in a Type 9.

So now I've got the money for that Anaconda I never thought I'd be able to afford but still haven't bothered to buy one, as I don't feel a need for it. I did get a couple of Cutters recently when they were discounted, as it seemed like too good an offer to pass up and have a Corvette bought at a similar discount, that's never left the docking bay. I'd rather fly around in my Python when I've got something to get done, or my Cobra mk3, or Viper if I fancy something a bit more sporty, kind of like a weekend sports car.
 
First and foremost, get your motivations for playing this game right. Is this the right game for you?
Yes. For some folk spending more time putting the game down, no.
I've spent more time in this game than the original X-Com. Some folk, for whatever reason, expect a ground up rebuild to suit their wants. Nope, if you like flying spaceships... (y)
The game can be improved, but, if you are not passionate about it now... not for you.
 
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