2 more months until Odyssey?
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I'll take you up on that. Both of my legs says you're wrong.
Haven't FDev been working from home since nearly the beginning of 2020? I'm not sure if they ever went back to the office, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Indeed, Lone Echo II has been delayed until 'sometime in 2021' with the pandemic being the cause of delay according to the developers.
(I don't have a massive interest in many games, but was looking forward to the release of LE2 - and now Odyssey, of course!)
The words used by @Stasis Wolf were correct.
2.4 was paid content. Horizons was a season not a single update. 2.4 was part of Horizons. 2.4 was paid for as part of Horizons.
3.0 was the first non-paid update after Horizons.
In case there’s any doubt on this, bear in mind that FD did revenue deferrals for Horizons with specific potions of revenue recognition being tied to each of the major releases of the Horizons season. So FD certainly consider it paid content.
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Absolutely not.
Maybe 2 months until we get some news about the Alpha or Beta tests, or news about new ship/SRV.
Basically, look at every question that gets a non-answer from the community team
"no plans" = no
"nothing to announce" = yes but we cant say anything
clear difference between those two replies.
Maybe 2 months until we get some news about the Alpha or Beta tests, or news about new ship/SRV.
Basically, look at every question that gets a non-answer from the community team
"no plans" = no
"nothing to announce" = yes but we cant say anything
clear difference between those two replies.
No, Horizons was sold as a season of 5 major releases. That’s what people buying Horizons bought. It wasn’t one paid for major release, plus 4 free ones.
No one paid separately for any of the individual Horizons releases. I didn't say anyone did. Buying Horizons paid for all the releases in one go. They were paid for in advance. That doesn't mean they weren't paid for.
Check what your Frontier Store account to see what you bought. It literally says "Elite Dangerous: Horizons - Season Pass".
You're also definitely misunderstanding something as a lot of what you said has got nothing to do with what I said.
The way FD handled the revenue for Horizons was completely appropriate and correct, and nothing I said suggests otherwise.
To explain further:
- (again) Horizons was sold as a season of 5 major releases.
- That means that people buying Horizons at the time were paying in advance for releases which were to be delivered in the future
- That means that the revenue from the sales shouldn't be fully recognised until delivery of the product was completed (in case you're not clear what this means - essentially it's not actually all FD's money until what was bought has actually been delivered to those who bought it.)
- FD handled it by deferring the revenue with a portion allocated to each release (i.e. some of the money from Horizons sales properly became FD's following the release of 2.0, some after 2.1, and so on, until it effectively all became theirs after the release of 2.4)
- FD's handling of the revenue was completely proper and appropriate.
- If it had just been 2.0 that was paid for, the revenue deferral wouldn't have been necessary and they wouldn't have done it.
No. Weather has been ruled out.
I get enough RL in ... RL.
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Excellent, thank you for sharing that with me. Now if I might be so bold, perhaps you'd be best off directing that towards people who are doing what you hate instead of towards those who aren't.
FD's funding model is based on a split of paid for expansions (including pre-payments from KS backers and LEP owners) along with microtransactions (paid for cosmetics)
The microtransactions side does mean that things aren't being provided absolutely free (even though it can be free to an individual). Let's disregard that though. If we do so, it's pretty simple:
- Horizons season - paid
- Beyond season - free
- Beyond -> Odyssey interim period releases (inc FC's**) - free
- Odyssey release - paid
The Horizons seasons being paid for doesn't downplay any of the stuff that was free. It's just a statement of fact.
From Annual Report 2015:
"Elite Dangerous: Horizons is a season of major gameplay expansions for Elite Dangerous, beginning with Planetary Landings on 1:1 scale worlds across the Elite Dangerous galaxy."
" At the Gamescom show we announced Elite Dangerous: Horizons, a new paid-for season of expansions for the game, to a positive critical reception."
From Annual Report 2016:
"Elite Dangerous: Horizons is a paid-for seasons pass of expansions to extend the Elite Dangerous game"
"The first expansion in the Horizons season, Planetary Landings, was released on PC in December 2015, and the second, The Engineers, in May 2016. The Engineers was released six weeks later than originally planned, in order to give additional development time to focus on the quality of the release."
From Annual Report 2017:
"The Horizons season of expansions
Each expansion offers new headline gameplay features plus a large number of quality of life and other tweaks, fixes and improvements, and there is an accompanying ‘1.x’ update to the base game.
The release of 2.4 ‘The Return’ will complete the Horizons season of expansions. Horizons will continue to be sold as a substantial expansion product with all content available at the time of purchase."
The details of the revenue deferral from the sales of Horizons can also be found in various annual reports.
Complete and utter tripe. Or rather they never technically gave a commitment to the updates all being within the calendar year 2015 (although three of them were originally announced for Q1, Q2 and Q3 with a strong inference that the final one would be in Q4...) but there is no dispute at all about the fact that those multiple releases all formed part of the PAID FOR DLC known as Horizons. It was not ever in any way only a single update i.e. the one released as 2.0.
As above.
As has already been pointed out to you, Horizons was a SEASON PASS. I thought you might have picked up on that based on the what, two years worth (at least) of near endless discussion about that fact during the season concerned. That's why each of the 2.X updates included Horizons-specific content in addition to general gameplay updates which were available to non-Horizons owners.
Horizons was PAID FOR as a single one-off payment fee, for example I bought my copy on pre-order just before release at the end of 2015 but what I bought with that fee was a SEASON PASS of updates which included the multiple 2.X updates which were released over the next couple of years and which I would not have received access to some of the content of had I not bought the Horizons SEASON PASS. This isn't opinion, it is evidenced and historical fact. You paid up front with a one-off payment for a season of expansions, none of which were available without having paid for Horizons. That was the specific model under which the update was conceived, sold and released and in fact there was significant controversy because people expected the timescale over which that would happen to be shorter than it ultimately ended up being, which is the main reason the entire seasson pass model was discarded for future expansions.
From memory the first 'totally free' updates, i.e. those which came after the Horizons season pass and were entirely separated from it, were what FDev referred to as the 'Beyond' series, with the 'Beyond' in question specifically referring to the updates 'Beyond' the Horizons season pass. Again, something that was made clear and discussed extensively at the time.
I don't even know what your final point about them making available so much 'free content' has to do with anything - I'd be the first to acknowledge that they have given us plenty of free content (including the elements released with the Horizons updates that were available to base game owners and the updates in the Beyond series) and I bet Thatchino would be another one happy to acknowledge that. It doesn't change a thing about the fact that the multiple Horizons updates were absolutely paid content though. There's no lack of gratitude, there is just your fundamental lack of understanding of what you bought.
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Only on the forum...
Nope, but it's bally good fun old chap!