What's the purpose of the insight?
If it's to conclude that FDev made up their story and are hiding their console delay agenda then yes, it's irrelevant.
ObsidianAnt video about odyssey delay.
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If it's to conclude that FDev made up their story and are hiding their console delay agenda then yes, it's irrelevant.
Mad hysteria over nowt.
The basis of whether a comparison is valid is based on the conclusions drawn from it? That's a new one on me.
As a software programme and delivery manager I'm going to go with the simple answer:
S**t happens on all dev programmes, things don't go to plan, bug fixes cause unknown issues or regressions, outside influences cause challenges. Its actually likely that the delay is caused by a number of these factors.
The programme got to a point where a delay was inevitable (any cause speculation is pretty pointless as outsiders), workload and allocation of it to people had to be managed and the Business have taken a decision to focus on the PC version (again no need to speculate why) as this is the largest customer base and the area for biggest growth and so likely the priority.
People outside the programme (thats us) will always speculate, and will link things that, in all reality, aren't actually linked.
S**t happens on all dev programmes, things don't go to plan, bug fixes cause unknown issues or regressions, outside influences cause challenges. Its actually likely that the delay is caused by a number of these factors.
The programme got to a point where a delay was inevitable (any cause speculation is pretty pointless as outsiders), workload and allocation of it to people had to be managed and the Business have taken a decision to focus on the PC version (again no need to speculate why) as this is the largest customer base and the area for biggest growth and so likely the priority.
People outside the programme (thats us) will always speculate, and will link things that, in all reality, aren't actually linked.
Of course it is... If I compare our heights to draw insight on the food we like to eat, that's an irrelevant comparison. The hypothesis is a critical part of measuring the relevancy of any test...
The topic is about the conclusions being drawn specifically. The hypothesis is fdev are lying. The test case is our experiences of wfh. That's what I'm talking about.
I agree that there will be useful comparisons to be made. I also agree that it's likely covid isn't the only cause. But whilst we're in scope of this video and the subject material, I just think it's baseless.
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Well, if we are here just to discuss the delay, it is an even bigger waste of space than normal on this forum...
"Frontier has delayed release of Odyssey"
"Oh, OK"
End of story - endless debate and constant mudslinging isn't going to change it...
Be grown-up, it is delayed because Frontier have decided such, that is all.
"Frontier has delayed release of Odyssey"
"Oh, OK"
End of story - endless debate and constant mudslinging isn't going to change it...
Be grown-up, it is delayed because Frontier have decided such, that is all.
Please don't bring logic and common sense into an internet argument, you will confuse most of the participants by making their claims totally irrelevant.
I was under the impression that a person's height does have some correlation to what they eat.
I'm still slightly skeptical that no conclusions can be drawn on Frontier's experience of working from home on the basis of others experience of working from home. What would they be doing that is so different from say other software developers?
OA is posting click-bait in order to generate revenue clicks, nothing else and I personally find the Buur Pit less prone to such tactics, so which him for news updates/opinions. None of us know the full extent of the problems FDev have had with Odyssey, whether porting to consoles*, Covid impacts or whatever. I know OA is revered around these parts, but really he is just somebody else pumping junk on to YouTube's servers and his opinion is no more worthy than anyone else's.
Were Frontier prepared for remote working? I don't know (none of us do) but I would hazard a guess that beyond a few engaged in support activities to restart the servers and with their shiny new HQ, remote working would not be high on the agenda. Also keep in mind, development is often a collaborative process where you chat about issues or whatever over the watercooler, at each others desks or whatever. This is impossible in the current environment and various companies have tried different things to encourage it (all day open Zoom sessions, team breakfasts or whatever) but nothing really substitutes.
This is just a game expansion and in the context of 2 million+ Covid related deaths, completely insignificant.
* if it is console port issues, they would be wise to drop console support IMO
Were Frontier prepared for remote working? I don't know (none of us do) but I would hazard a guess that beyond a few engaged in support activities to restart the servers and with their shiny new HQ, remote working would not be high on the agenda. Also keep in mind, development is often a collaborative process where you chat about issues or whatever over the watercooler, at each others desks or whatever. This is impossible in the current environment and various companies have tried different things to encourage it (all day open Zoom sessions, team breakfasts or whatever) but nothing really substitutes.
This is just a game expansion and in the context of 2 million+ Covid related deaths, completely insignificant.
* if it is console port issues, they would be wise to drop console support IMO
I didn't say no conclusions can be drawn. I said it's irrelevant in the scope of what is being said in the video. Circumstantial at best.
But I think we've reached the end of any usefulness in this discussion. I think the video is useless at best, divisive at worst.
Apparently there are people who believe that if they can somehow prove that the reason for the delay is false, then FD will go "ok you caught us hehe we'll release everything next month then"...
Yeah, there are a lot here implying they know with 100% certainty that FD lied, but I am yet to see any irrefutable proof of said falsehoods, just a lot of bravo behind the safety of a keyboard
Not in any I've seen so far. But I don't watch many.
Burrpit, I've watched a few times and his content never stooped to this basic trash in any video I watched. Always seemed he reports based on facts.
Speculative commentary is fine if it's done right. The two points being made in this video are beyond nonsense.
So not irrelevant, but of limited relevance.
Sure. I've edited the original comment to satisfy this.
I've never watched his videos myself but from what I've seen on the forums he is considered one of the more level headed steamers/tubers and if the video is basically clickbait then its unfortunate he's went down the Yamiks route minus the horse mask from 2012.
This was my thought. I saw the thread, thought the op was wildly misinterpreting OA so watched it. He's definitely misinterpreting OA. But the statements being made by OA are wild. Needless too.
The only part of any merit is that he admits the whole video is entirely speculative. That is the only line that has any genuine value. So I fail to see the benefit of the rest.
