The game is Elite DANGEROUS
That's the title yes, but as so many will point out when the utter lack of danger (to our in-game characters) in this game is cited, the name doesn't mean much.
And for the record, I have also faced rebuys from glitches, from bugs that give NPCS chaingun plasma accelerators (anybody remember those days? Whoo!) ect. One or two of these I felt were so unfair I pinged frontier support about reverting, but in general I've tried to accept them.
You shouldn't have to accept rebuys from non-contextual sources.
I guess I won't carry illegal passengers and have the fun of smuggling because I MIGHT get insta killed by stations for it. YOU WANT PEOPLE TO NOT PLAY THE GAME.
I have my CMDR smuggle all the time, and I've had him ferry illegal passengers. The risks are virtually non-existent, and what little is present is easily mitigable.
The point I made was: the cost of death is already higher than most players are willing to pay.
If this were the case, then they wouldn't be playing.
Again have you been long haul exploring?
I suppose I have:
After some significant technical difficulties, I have finally made it to Sagittarius A*. Was originally planning on three day tour, but a failed flight computer, HUD, and space dementia brought on from my overloaded environmental systems being unable to filter all the fumes of scorched...
forums.frontier.co.uk
Distance isn't much by today's standards, but I did 5600+ jumps in a 14.26ly ship with no AFMU, before synthesis, when the route plotter was limited to 1k ly stretches. I also discovered about nine ELWs, got a pile of selfies, and inadvertently scared off a few CMDRs after saying "Hello!" to them.
Have you watched gankers try to take out your light as paper exploration ship since you play in open?
My CMDR doesn't normally fly paper when exploring (or ever, unless it's extremely fast paper) and has never been shot down while exploring. He has shot down a few gankers while exploring, however.
If I need to reach a system that absolutely cannot be reached without a paper ship (a situation that is almost inconceivable with the addition of FCs), I would have my CMDR take suitable precautions...like departing from and returning to minimally trafficked systems, and swapping to a more robust vessel to distribute exploration data.
There are torpedoes that kill shield generators, torpedos that inhibit jump drive escape.
I'm aware.
Fail an interdiction escape and you're trapped, give in to an interdiction when your opponent has the right setup (AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS AS A PVP PLAYER) And he will SHRED your hull before you can jump. I've watched it happen. God there are youtube videos of this stuff!
The videos you refer to are exemplars of what not to do in such situations and precisely the sort of reckless behaviors that should be discouraged.
Have you fought Thargoids?
My CMDR doesn't make a habit of it, but yes. I had quite a blast at The Gnosis event and have dabbled in fighting them from time to time.
That said, my CMDR doesn't have much of a problem with Thargoids. They virtually never start hostilities and seem far more passive and less threatening than GalNet makes them out to be. The game provides very little rational reason for my CMDR to build ships that make him more vulnerable to more aggressive and dangerous foes (other CMDRs) for the purpose of picking fights with largely benign aliens.
The things will acidify your hull giving you a countdown timer to get back to a station even if you WIN.
Unless you pop an SCB without a sink, or engage silent running for about 20 seconds, to cook off the corrosive slime.
This is another example of difficulty that started off low and has since been rendered irrelevant. When Thargoids were first introduced, before the heat damage adjustment, an extremely beat up vessel
might have had something to worry about, but that's no longer the case, cause even if you overshoot the heat needed to remove the corrosion, you'll take a few percent damage to a handful of modules, and that will be that.
I don't think your vision reflects what Frontier originally intended.
What do you think was intended by things like...
- 'a game that doesn't feel like a game, but feels like an actual world I'm being brought to'
- 'rare and meaningful PvP'
- 'cutthroat galaxy'
- 'Start with a small starship and a handful of credits, and do whatever it takes to earn the skill, knowledge, wealth and power to stand among the ranks of the iconic Elite.'
...or anything else used to describe the setting's potential and intended gameplay experience throughout development and early launch?
You just told me you DON'T actually want a greater personal challenge, you just want everybody else to have less fun.
No, what I told you is I want the exact same challenge as everyone else, but I want it to amount to a setting that makes some sense.
I mean god now that I think about it, this is starting to sound more and more like "I want to hurt people more when I kill them in PVP" Not "I really want more of a challenge so I can feel a greater sense of accomplishment."
Consequences at lacking all-round, including in this respect. I absolutely do want it to be possible for violence to be a deterrent to incongruously reckless behavior and an actual tool with some utility beyond grinding hordes of NPCs to paste for a few INF. And it should go both ways.
While we're on the topic of consequences, PvP, torpedoes, and intent, do you think it makes any sense for the same individual to be shot down three times, in the same fifteen minute fight?
Cause, as much as I enjoyed testing my CMDR's then new Corvette loadout in that engagement, the scenario was really quite absurd, and highlights the profound lack of utility violence has. This is a huge plausibility/immersion problem. It should never have been reasonable for my CMDR to stick around. It should never have been possible for the turnaround time from destruction, to rebuy, to launch, to travel, to destruction again be sub-five minutes. Screwing up badly enough to get my CMDR shot down should also have been more than a slap on the wrist...and it was
barely a slap on the wrist three years ago with a Deadly NPC crewmember being permanently lost.
When someone,
anyone, bites off more than they can chew and gets blown up because of it, they should feel it enough to make them think twice about the next time.
Playing in open or playing solo really makes naff all difference for wanting a sensible and believable economy and game universe and having limited time to play is not a reason to expect FD to change the balance of the entire game......
I agree. Though I find playing in Open makes the game more believable for me, because NPC behavior still feels like superficial set dressing...probably because that's what it is.
View attachment 204810
What if it's
fun being completely reckless?
One of the nicest things about credit availability is it means you can have fun without caring about it.
I'm very glad that consequences are trivial (and that new players can reach this stage pretty quick).
It lets us all just get on with doing what we want. It's a game, after all, not a job.
I
want to have a tangible, in-game, reason to care. I
want to face challenges beyond what I contrive for myself.
Something like the aforementioned simulator or sandbox mode would allow you, and others who may not be concerned with the credibility of the setting's representation, to smash as many ships as they care to, without the overarching game having to remain some inconsequential post-scarcity Monty Haul gravy train.
![[VR] Mad Mike](https://forums-cdn.zaonce.net/data/avatars/m/27/27910.jpg?1553527108){kind=avatar}
