Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[VR Mr Teatime]

For SC where the number of planets planned with rivers is certainly less than 100 and already with hand placed elements, it's not really important.

Just as well, because unless CiG code for it (and I've seen no evidence they have), the Procedural Generation in CryEngine isn't capable of generating those features. SC's procedural generation is barely worthy of the title, as it is in essence, a set of bounded Fibonacci sequences to give repeatable (and consistent in MP) randomness to objects and features i.e. the code generates a sequence from a seed to apply what looks like random orientations to a set of rock features, with some limits to prevent outlandish edge cases. What it doesn't do is work out that the rock features should be there and in that orientation due to a recognisable geological process.
This is one reason amongst many there is so much hand crafting in SC's environments....they lack to skills or leadership to develop the engine to do it vs. cranking out content that should come for 100th of the current cost.

 

[VR Golgot]

Question - if someone melts a ship and uses the proceeds to by something with the credit, does that count as a new sale on the funding income?

I don’t think CIG have ever clarified either way. It has been speculated that the funding tracker could be boosted in this way though.

 

[VR Mr Teatime]

I don’t think CIG have ever clarified either way. It has been speculated that the funding tracker could be boosted in this way though.

Yeah, my suspicion also and classic governmental accounting i.e. include the government in the size of your economy and the taxation, borrowing and spending suddenly become "growth"...

 

[Mole HD]

Question - if someone melts a ship and uses the proceeds to by something with the credit, does that count as a new sale on the funding income?

I've absolutely no idea how Ci¬G view store credit purchases...it's what most of us who've been around SC for some time do a fair bit...rather than inject new cash, we shuffle ships with store credit or buy CCU's for limited ships on the grey market giving the cash to someone else rather than the RSi store. I suppose it all goes to Ci¬G in the end but it seems less like the cash is going direct to Ci¬G when you pay a few bucks on the grey market for a CCU upgrade...usually works out a lot cheaper too.

 

[LittleAnt]

I don’t think CIG have ever clarified either way. It has been speculated that the funding tracker could be boosted in this way though.

The funding tracker is only for the real money collected from backers. Cash back (don't know the exact english term) are not tracked.
What you can ask is "are refunds deducted from the tracker ?"

 

[TiberiusDuval]

Well Apple delivers its products, they don't sell vaporware, and while their pricing is outrageous you'll get what you buy.

 

[VR Golgot]

The funding tracker is only for the real money collected from backers. Cash back (don't know the exact english term) are not tracked.

Got a source? I’ve never seen CIG clarify that.

 

[Skizomeuh]

The funding tracker is only for the real money collected from backers. Cash back (don't know the exact english term) are not tracked.
What you can ask is "are refunds deducted from the tracker ?"

Well my friend if your question can be asked then Golgot's one too, as your assumptions about the funding tracker are just, like ours, assumptions. Based on CIG words we already know can't be trusted.

 

[LittleAnt]

Got a source? I’ve never seen CIG clarify that.

It's in the name of the tracker "Funds Raised", there is nothing to clarify. The tracker is about funding, not ships bought.
You can't reclaim funds with CIG (except for the 30 days refund policy).
When you melt, you only convert the value of your pledge in store credits (= no cash movement in/out).

 

[VR Golgot]

That’s another 'no' then

 

[Fishy]

I won't be there to hear it, but when I die, I hope my close friends can come up with a better eulogy than "He wasn't as bad as child slavery"...

 

[MTBFritz]

awww man thread moderation cut a lot of posts I guess

lost like 2 pages or something. Hit me in mid-load /sad

 

[Mole HD]

Seems to be some posts missing from 5 minutes ago...someone having a culling session?

 

[MTBFritz]

in order to yank the thread back on track I continue with the last insight I gleaned from it.....proc-gen rivers in SC

Dont exist, are not proven conclusively, the AI for it doesnt exist but they are used as easy "chow" to get the fishes jumping in a fully modulated environment. Errr....did I mix two things there?

 

[LittleAnt]

in order to yank the thread back on track I continue with the last insight I gleaned from it.....proc-gen rivers in SC

Dont exist, are not proven conclusively, the AI for it doesnt exist but they are used as easy "chow" to get the fishes jumping in a fully modulated environment. Errr....did I mix two things there?

The nice news is river, not about the fact they are proc-gen or not (doesn't matter how they are placed).
And it works ! I can't wait to see this in the alpha.

 

[VR Golgot]

And it works ! I can't wait to see this in the alpha.

Yeahhh we know. Straight-outta-college dev displays some standard game tech (with minor question marks over its suitability for the project), and you are super excited.

Good to know it works before it's been alpha tested though

 

[VR Mr Teatime]

It's in the name of the tracker "Funds Raised", there is nothing to clarify. The tracker is about funding, not ships bought.

I thought ship purchases are how the game is funded, or am I missing something?

 

[Agony_Aunt]

The bar for what pleases citizens these days is so low not even a limbo dancer could get under it

 

[Agony_Aunt]

It's in the name of the tracker "Funds Raised", there is nothing to clarify. The tracker is about funding, not ships bought.
You can't reclaim funds with CIG (except for the 30 days refund policy).
When you melt, you only convert the value of your pledge in store credits (= no cash movement in/out).

I think the question is more about what CIG actually count vs what CIG say is counted.

Should ships purchased with credit count? No.
Are ships purchased with credit counted? Well, we assume no, but maybe they do.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I won't be there to hear it, but when I die, I hope my close friends can come up with a better eulogy than "He wasn't as bad as child slavery"...

It will be "He should have bought an Idris to pass onto his children"