Galnet & Twitter: "an unknown vessel needs our help!"
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I doubt this is the end of it, or it's one hell of a moist fishy pie.
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Yea, it'd be nice if some of the rest of us got to look for things instead of it being found BEFORE its even announced. Weird how Cannon keeps doing that. Just before it was announced is to weird to be coincidence
Eh? That didn't happen here. Hasn't happened on other occasions either. (I'm not in Cannon, btw.)
Edit - I think just to be clear on this, there is nothing stopping anyone from going back through stuff and finding how it was done, replicating it for themselves and confirming whether it was legit or not. I know because I've done it for things that I wasn't directly part of at the time.
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It's well known that individuals inside cannon data mine. Cannon itself doesn't support data mining but you cannot police every member. Remeber the weapon outposts for the Thargoid final solution. Bases were found by people claiming to have used clues from FDEV videos mere hours after release. BUT the base claimed to have been found this way was NOT in the videos. Big thread on it, and its clear it was mined out. This is in a time before the FSS, a time of flyovers to find POIs.
Not saying this event was mined with conviction, but it sure looks suspicious to me.
Its not weird its just a lot of people in Cannon looking.
I am a Cannon member and I just went back through the Discord logs for this (as I was watching it unfold as it happened).
The Fdev Twitter announcement that started the whole thing off was posted in the Discord at 13:05.
Then at 15:51 the first screenshot of the planet location was posted showing the "Unknown" navigation marker on the planets surface.
A few minutes later at 15:58 the screenshot of the first log was posted.
So in total it took Cannon about 3 hours to find.
Sometimes its not a conspiracy, sometimes people are just good
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Yea i have a feeling it was too. It was "found " much too quickly. Tho it also was a system really close to the original system.
Also, if it was a puzzle, shouldn't there have been more clues? I think i was the first to post about the new galnet article but that was the only real 'clue', and didn't actually narrow the system search down.
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I don't think data mining was used for this.
R CrA Sector AF-A d42 is just 31,48 ly away from Swoilz XX-D c1-30.
This is very close - an EDSM search (with the Swoilz system as reference) places the system at page 3, so it's less than 300 systems until you stumble there. A much less scary figure than the multiple thousands if you had to go for the full 80 ly range.
R CrA Sector AF-A d42 is just 31,48 ly away from Swoilz XX-D c1-30.
This is very close - an EDSM search (with the Swoilz system as reference) places the system at page 3, so it's less than 300 systems until you stumble there. A much less scary figure than the multiple thousands if you had to go for the full 80 ly range.
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Cannon are just really good at this sort of thing. They've prolly got a whole load of data from systems in nice, organised Cannon-y spreadsheets, and good at spotting likely candidates to all pile in on and scan, scan scan.
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It's well known that people throw around accusations. What generally turns out to be the case is that things were actually done legitimately.
A lot of stuff is simply misrepresentation, or completely false versions of what actually happened.
Case in point. This is a false version of what happened.
Canonn weren't even involved in the first INRA base discovery. Those involved didn't claim it was from the videos, other than videos giving them the nod that the INRA bases were in-game to be found.
Canonn weren't involved, and Canonn members were in fact part of the side making accusations in that instance.
And no, if you follow the thread where it was found, the logic was sound, and the search criteria used would have quickly ended up in the system in question. Could the person who put forward the logic have done some datamining and then have gone back through and reworked a valid search rationale that would end up at the system that was found - maybe, but
.Yeah, and the people involved had a lot of experience of MkI eyeball searches, and knew how to optimise their graphics settings and things like that from previous searches. It's not that much of a surprise that people who'd done a lot of previous searches, and had got good at it were then effective at other searches.
For reference:
- after the first site was found, there was a big gap before any others were found because there were no clues at that site to any of the other locations
- When another site was eventually found, it did have clues to other locations.
- The discovery of locations following on from that took pretty much the time you'd expect given a name of a planet, the size of the planet and the number of people searching.
Seriously? How does:
- A system being given in Galnet to look in the vicinity of
- Lots of people looking
- Something being found in the vicinity
And that's why most of these kind of accusations are fundamentally just a bit ridiculous.
Opinions will always be divided. I followed the INRA situation closely. I disagree with your assessment, largely because it is a misrepresentation. As this is off topic. I'll say no more.
ON topic : I think FDEV should operate these mysteries in a contingent structure. Only releasing into the universe data once a previous condition is met. This way fluke finds can be mitigated.
I guess the mission now is to find and rescue Commander Gabriel de Luca, who's currently in a big steel box marked 'fragile'?
Lmao, yea they just stuffed her in the box and ran hahaha.
What @Thatchinho said. Considering I was the one who happened to log off at exactly the right planet before the downtime started, and I'm not Canonn, it definitely wasn't them last time. In fact, it's far from the first time some things I've done have been attributed to them too
EDIT: Not dissing Canonn here... I'm a massive moocher of their info at times
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I think the box was the neurosensory amplifier, which they were going to use on her.
I think this prison was attacked by imperial allies. Most likely, the group they were interrogating were imperial VIPs of some sort, and no one at the camp was the wiser. Imperials bringing supplies knew that no one, not even the workers there had names.
Thing with this one, given where this system is relative to the "starting" system and it's range, it's unsurprising that it got found so quickly tbh. It's what, ~31 LY from the "starting system" iirc (since I did this at 5am with a screaming baby, my memory is a bit shot)?
Volume of a sphere is cubic (V=4/3πr^3) which means when that radius is reduced even just a little, your volume goes down dramatically. So, if we were saying there was ~5,000 systems to start with, at a radius of ~ 30LY that becomes just 500 systems to search. Throw on that, tbh, at a range of 31LY (and it's a fairly uninterrupted direction), someone could have very easily just lucked out and hit it.
As it was though, it took what, three hours to discover? If a coordinated group (such as Canonn) comprising several hundred players had a list of all systems within range of the starting system... assuming just 20 of them happened to be online (which is a very lowball figure), that's just 25 systems per person to scan (cherry picking the surface landables) if you brute forced it. It's not a big body of work.
Volume of a sphere is cubic (V=4/3πr^3) which means when that radius is reduced even just a little, your volume goes down dramatically. So, if we were saying there was ~5,000 systems to start with, at a radius of ~ 30LY that becomes just 500 systems to search. Throw on that, tbh, at a range of 31LY (and it's a fairly uninterrupted direction), someone could have very easily just lucked out and hit it.
As it was though, it took what, three hours to discover? If a coordinated group (such as Canonn) comprising several hundred players had a list of all systems within range of the starting system... assuming just 20 of them happened to be online (which is a very lowball figure), that's just 25 systems per person to scan (cherry picking the surface landables) if you brute forced it. It's not a big body of work.