Slave Carriers Update
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Oh, I forgot.
"Their game".
All people which used this argument- don't complain on ANY thing in game
Don' complain on economy, smuggling, mining, BGS, powerplay, ships, balance, engineers, grind, gankers, eternal war in Deciat. This is their game.
Yea we have to just accept anything and everything Frontier do and any questioning of that is frowned upon.
Sounds akin to slavery if you ask me.
But how did you not already know that! Everybody knows that! Only a complete fool would not know that!
Well done sir. You are living proof that there are Cmdrs who play the game, but do/did not know there was a way out of being stranded in the black on someone's carrier. You have single-handedly proven that such people do exist.
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Oh, I forgot.
"Their game".
All people which used this argument- don't complain on ANY thing in game
Don' complain on economy, smuggling, mining, BGS, powerplay, ships, balance, engineers, grind, gankers, eternal war in Deciat. This is their game.
If you cant tell the difference between player feedback and Frontiers enforcement choices, then that's on you. Perhaps a learning opportunity.
Indeed. This is real slavery, not trolling new players, which even can't read ship's desription/search information on internet.
Don't complain, this is their game.
No more waste time for you
And? Some people don't know, that they should observe fuel level, INFINITE FUEL FOR ALL!
Warning! Before buying our game be sure, that you are able to search informations and knowledge in internet alone! This game is difficult and extensive!
Sounds great.
Salty griefer? XD
So, I'm griefer because I think, that elite is so difficult game, that players should be able to just search informations, okaaaay.
"just read descirpiotn"=griefing XDD Good riddance.
I see, that in your eyes all people are griefers.
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If I've misrepresented your position then I apologise, I`m only interested in pointing out the futility of getting all upset about the way Frontier have chosen to protect their product. The indignance on display here by some posters on the thread is as baffling as it is pointless.
So, were they enslaved by their captors, or their own possessions
I mean its bonkers to present that question to a 7 year old... but it makes you think sometimes.
Yea, terms of service and EULA`s are a @itch...
Welcome to the 21 century. By the way - has anyone told you that privacy isn't a thing any more either?
Shocking isn't it thanks for your support.
Honestly 'upset' isn't a word that's even in my vocabulary when it comes to discussing this game (hell, any game come to that), its rules, outcomes and the rest of it. I'm not sitting here puce of face, smashing my keyboard up as I type or anything.
I do think FDev have potentially made a rod for their own back, as they have done in the past though, because regardless of whether we think the player concerned here is nice or nasty (and as I already said I certainly don't think the guy is a paragon of virtue, nor have I ever suggested that he is) that's not the benchmark - the benchmark is 'has he committed a bannable offence as per the stated rules of the game' and although I don't dispute at all that the ultimate arbiter of that is FDev and they have now said 'yes he has', I'd say it's open to considerably more interpretation as to whether he could have reasonably formed that opinion at the time this scheme was developed.
That's a concern in principle, even for someone like me who is personally never likely to indulge in gameplay like this, because it's pretty much unprecedented within the context of the game and raises questions about where the line is drawn and exactly which side of it a player might find themselves on in any given situation.
In a game like this, with its backdrop of violence in a society frequently portrayed as dystopian, it's too simplistic to just go down the 'be excellent to each other' route when so much of the game world's lore clearly doesn't do that - hell this week we have a corporation's CEO being implicated in a plot to conspire with a Federal admiral to sabotage the president's spaceship which killed hundreds of people and last week a bunch of people were subjected to extraordinary rendition to a secret prison camp before commencing a massacre of the guards, so it's certainly not cuddles all round. There's very little about the game world that suggests Wheaton's Law would be a big sell there and realistically, some players will want to play on the non-Wheaton side of things as they always will.
I think the vast majority of our players would differentiate between wanting to do that in-game, yet remaining within the rules of the game in a broader meta sense, but that becomes a swim in cloudy waters when an incident like this occurs since it seems that it was far from as clear-cut in the minds of many players (as evidenced by the thread) as some people seem to want to suggest.
It seems pretty clear that if asked a week beforehand whether this would be a bannable offence, the players concerned would have said 'nope'. I would also probably have said that and my own threshold for what would be deemed bannable is almost certainly more strict than those players. I find myself not wondering where the line is drawn with regard to this incident because we know that now - FDev have drawn it. What I do wonder is exactly how far past this point that line now is and how on earth any of us are supposed to know, which seems to me a fair question to ponder.
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Thanks for proving my point. In most civilized countries, prisoners can have a job. And most seem to like it. The job, probably the being in prison part not so much.
In most countries, businesses can hire apprentices and pay them low wages. For some professions, it is even required to gain experience as an apprentice.
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Have I missed that? Sorry, I got sidetracked by work. Have FD made an official comment on it?
I was writing on the premise that the players were banned. I haven't seen an actual comment fron FDev, nor am I expecting one to be honest,but the players concerned did say on discord that they were shadow banned to solo and lost their carriers in the process and for me at least, it passes the smell test.
Obviously I maybe wrong and will acknowledge that if it turns out to be the case but that has been out in the wild for a few days now and if untrue, FDEv certainly don't seem to be interested in dispelling what would be a highly misleading statement of their policy. There's also the fact that the reported ban was stated to be under review, so that could be a factor - perhaps once that is over a further definitive official statement might be provided.
Its OK coz they can still play the game and affect the BGS then? Whats all the crying about, its just a game, they have lost nothing but a few imaginary credits and real world future job prospects? Id be more worried about the latter, someone needs to advise them to shut-up.
Its not even new, when FC were properly announced one of the first Qs was 'whats to stop Cmdrs kidnapping other Cmdrs?' Same Q now for Odyssey if we can transport non-pilot Cmdrs was unanswered, I think its been answered now though.
Its not even new, when FC were properly announced one of the first Qs was 'whats to stop Cmdrs kidnapping other Cmdrs?' Same Q now for Odyssey if we can transport non-pilot Cmdrs was unanswered, I think its been answered now though.
Well, you ain't any fun then!
From a 'game' perspective it did answer Frontier's "We can't wait to see what players do with them" comment about fleet carriers, and is (IMO) pretty much a reasonable 'tie-in' to the game lore.. (as, in truth, the game is pretty amoral overall)
Of course, the associated external content appears to be particularly undesirable (I've not visited them, so am going entriely by hearsay) but unless the 'sentiments' expressed externally were also expressed in-game they are hardly relevant, surely?
So, my opinion is split - the alleged external content needs to be cleaned up, indeed - game content, had it not been 'new' players being duped (as always, it is the newest who are targeted by 'undesirables' in one way or another) it probably would have generated some excellent 'emergent content' from the game communities itself. Frontier have exercised their right to Shadow Ban the organisers, not something we should be shouting down, because, as alleged 'grown-ups' we should be able to understand the need to do 'the right thing as seen by society' even if in disagreement over the details.
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