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SaltEMike is salty
That was hilarious actually, good for him taking it with humour.
Seriously... have you not actually looked at the only company in Chris Robert’s Byzantine network of shell companies that is required, by law, to publish the details of their financial information?
The Roberts Clan has siphoned off, through various completely legal, though utterly unethical, means, nearly 10% of their UK holdings income.
10%.
How much do you think they’re siphoning away when Roberts et. al. aren’t required to publicly declare, in a legally binding document, director remuneration and other sources of income? How many times do you suppose the money changes hands internally, with the Roberts Clan getting a cut of the gross each time? Where do you suppose a used car salesman and a d-list Hollywood actress got the money to purchase mansions, sports cars, and exotic luxury yacht vacations from in the first place?
Oh come now, that isn't fair. She is aspiring to be a D-list Hollywood actress, the same way he is aspiring to be a C-movie director.
Well in that case (a stand-alone ToW console launch), backer money wouldn’t have been going into SC & SQ42...
Now I’m sure you’ll argue that ToW benefits SC because it’s a testbed... (even though numerous signs such as the original fast respawn, curtailed maps, and networking specifics point to a silo mode designed for stand-alone consumption
)But let’s take a scenario: Imagine ToW is launched as a stand-alone console title, and bombs. It was divorced from PU norms to achieve that launch, because its use case was so distinct. (Fast rounds, fast respawns, skill matchmaking etc). As such it provided very little useful feedback for the PU.
Would you be happy as a backer in that scenario? Would you feel that backer funds had really been used on advancing SC & SQ42 alone?
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So ? Making big mistakes learn you how not reproduce them.
if that was true in this case then the whole Wing Commander fiasco where a certain person got sacked coz they were incompetent and lied about the finances and timescales would be the lesson. As would that same persons 'reflections' after where they admitted it was out of control, would have taken many more years and much much more money to complete. And the bit where they said they had learned their lesson....
...until it happened the 2nd time as well....
...so this time the lesson learned was 'We need a source of money for as long as we want with no oversight or ability to make us stick to our promises'
So, if any of you are wondering in the back of your heads "Firesprite? Working on ToW, located in Liverpool, working for a guy in Los Angeles... that's kinda odd, where'd that come from?"
It's an Elms Family connection. Eric Elms specifically, father of Simon and Nick, both of whom work for CIG.
Eric Elms was doing a little business work for Warthog back in the days after CR's stint at Digital Anvil, around the time of the Gizmondo/TigerTelematics acquisition, alongside his kids Simon and Nick. Eric faffed off for a bit after 2005.
But he suddenly reappears in 2017: Working as a business advisor for Firesprite, on The Lost Bear, and The Persistence.
2017, of course, being the time of the US CIG VGDC goes into a contract agreement, along with a loan charge, with Firesprite.
It's an Elms Family connection. Eric Elms specifically, father of Simon and Nick, both of whom work for CIG.
Eric Elms was doing a little business work for Warthog back in the days after CR's stint at Digital Anvil, around the time of the Gizmondo/TigerTelematics acquisition, alongside his kids Simon and Nick. Eric faffed off for a bit after 2005.
But he suddenly reappears in 2017: Working as a business advisor for Firesprite, on The Lost Bear, and The Persistence.
2017, of course, being the time of the US CIG VGDC goes into a contract agreement, along with a loan charge, with Firesprite.
Have they talked about how they intend to monetise ToW? It's gone from "this isn't taking any significant resources away from SC/S42" to being a full-on, multi-year outsourced project which must be burning a large amount of backer money, and they're not going to just drop that on the SC community as a freebie, or because it's a "test bed" for SC mechanics (like Arena Commander and Star Marine, lol). Is it going to be sold as a separate, standalone title?
Because you have info about "large amount of money" burnt into ToW ?
We don't even know how many persons work on it inside and outside of CIG...
We know it ain't what Sean Tracy claimed.
Perhaps. Or perhaps not.
You are speculating like the rest of us.
Its about as valid as suspecting CIG are planing on releasing ToW on console.... although, maybe not. CR is on record saying he won't release on console while they have all those nasty quality control restrictions in place. Bad console people, expecting quality products!
And isn't that an issue? CIG have been coy about this topic. Exactly how many people are working on ToW? Sean Tracy made it sound like just a dozen people for a few months.
Recent revelations indicate it might be more than that.
One thing i can say about contractors, they cost more per hour than internal employees. How much backers money has been spent on this "its only meant as a testbed for the PU"?
One fact that's been more than apparent over the last 20 years is that the idiot Roberts simply doesn't learn from his mistakes
I have zero clue what I'm supposed to see there, it's all chinese to me. Actually no, even chinese would be less obscure. This is more like Yamiks reciting welsh poetry to me. But the "contains negative pledge" bit at the end made me lol.
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SaltEMike is salty
All that money spent on real actors, and all along they could have used SaltEMike for the mocap.
Lol classic. Kitty tehPuss knew a high concentration of brine was incoming. So he discretely evacuates the room for a more meditative spot at 00:00:05.....
No waite. I lied. Curiosity killed the cat. 'Cause PInBoots returned shortly afterword. Poor guy's trying to figure out what the farp Mickey's doing at 00:00:28
No waite. I lied. Curiosity killed the cat. 'Cause PInBoots returned shortly afterword. Poor guy's trying to figure out what the farp Mickey's doing at 00:00:28
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Another good SaltEMike twitch clip