Request for a "Player Council", Resurrected DDF, Streamer Representation to Dev track, Focused Feedback or Similar Directed Community Engagement

[John Stoutbeard]

With power comes responsibility.
A group of community representatives, quite often the 'most passionate people' could affect the direction of the whole game.
I've seen this happen in other communities, where the group view makes too much of an impact and changes the whole game even for those who couldn't speak up and object.
Bad idea.

It's nice with passionate people, but they tend to focus too much on their 'own wants & haves'.

Alpha & Beta tests provides enough of the 'testing grounds & feedback forum' we need to be able to speak up on specific implementations such as the 'scanner issues' and 'new galmap issues'. I personally believe this is the best way to deal with specifics.

As for direction of the game I still prefer that FDev is in control of the vision and the direction, a council would affect this in a negative way (for the silent group of voices).

-1 from me.

 

[AngryAntz]

A council full of confused old men & people with inflated ego's.

You called?

 

[xzanfr]

You called?

Form a queue, mate! I'm full of Astra Zeneca today so away with the faries.

 

[Gunther_Bladderburst]

Inserting self proclaimed armchair developers that will tell you what to do in your daily job, how enticing.

 

[Alien]

There's already the DDF - which has never been formally disbanded by any notification from Frontier to its members.

.... it's just been idle since 2016.

I anticipated that ... see my suggestion thread https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/bring-back-the-design-discussion-forum.572540/

 

[zombieapocalypse]

Apart from it being a huge ego stroking exercise - wouldn't take long before all that "power" would get to people's heads.

We already see that to an extent now with content creators. For example, Yamiks having an emotional breakdown on camera because he wasn't given an alpha key or considered a "core content creator". And OA running poorly-phrased surveys with the assumption that his viewers are somehow a representative cross-section of the player base.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

We already see that to an extent now with content creators. For example, Yamiks having an emotional breakdown on camera because he wasn't given an alpha key or considered a "core content creator". And OA running poorly-phrased surveys with the assumption that his viewers are somehow a representative cross-section of the player base.

Or The Pilot getting his knickers in a twist because someone suggested to add a simple TL;DW to his dump & run video thread a while back. It's a shame it happens but it does.

 

[zombieapocalypse]

Or The Pilot getting his knickers in a twist because someone suggested to add a simple TL;DW to his dump & run video thread a while back. It's a shame it happens but it does.

Ah yes, I forgot about all the hit-and-run "here's my latest video, bye ... " self-promotion threads.

 

[AngryAntz]

Form a queue, mate! I'm full of Astra Zeneca today so away with the faries.

Sure it not a blood clot in the brain

 

[angusmadmac1]

Its bad enough now ??? We took out the sampler mini game some went hurrooahhh others went fdev caved into the demands . We dont want space legs , yes we do it was promised . We want FC's, FDEV " but its broken" we still want FC , FC arrive , fedv you broke the game . Seriously I have more than a few issues with a game i love but man a committee of commanders ???? Hell no . Who are they ? they dont speak for me (see content creators) why is he/she getting more say .
Its Fdevs game they might take it down the route me and you dont like but in the end its them that does the work , they know where its going and whats happening in the future (or at least i hope so)

 

[Alien]

Its bad enough now ??? We took out the sampler mini game some went hurrooahhh others went fdev caved into the demands . We dont want space legs , yes we do it was promised . We want FC's, FDEV " but its broken" we still want FC , FC arrive , fedv you broke the game . Seriously I have more than a few issues with a game i love but man a committee of commanders ???? Hell no .
Its Fdevs game they might take it down the route me and you dont like but in the end its them that does the work , they know where its going and whats happening in the future (or at least i hope so)

Again, what is being suggested is NOT a group to moan at Frontier, it's a group to bounce ideas off of.
If you're going to be against a design discussion group / player council (I think that's a bad title for it) at least understand what is being suggested.

 

[lysan]

Form a queue, mate! I'm full of Astra Zeneca today so away with the faries.

HEY I'M THE LOUDEST OLD MAN AROUND HER!!! and i write in caps..

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I'm up for a Player Council on two conditions.

1) I'm on it

2) I'm the only one on it.

The rest of you have no idea how to make a good space game. I'm the only one who can tell FD what they need to hear! FD should listen to my wisdom!

 

[angusmadmac1]

Again, what is being suggested is NOT a group to moan at Frontier, it's a group to bounce ideas off of.
If you're going to be against a design discussion group / player council (I think that's a bad title for it) at least understand what is being suggested.

I understand whats being suggested i just dont think it would be viable ?
So take me for instance advanced docking computers what ? no need (errr i now have them fitted on a lot of my ships )
Super Cruise control thingy (i dont use it )
FC what is the story or need ( errr i have one ) not sure why but i do
Space legs ??? why???

We have ideas on what we expect for Elite , Fdev have ideas on what they expect . What im trying to say is that while the intentions of many commanders is for "their" idea of betterment of our Game ??? You will always end up with those who dont agree with that ?

I would like to have a unicorn paintjob for my ships and the beams and the engines will be rainbows ? because ?? valhalla has it on the longboats .
Just because I think its a good or terrible idea doesnt mean it is . ive been wrong before (just dont tell my wife )

Why not just throw it out in the forum ? Its as good as any place for discussion and exchanging of ideas . Take the scanner mini game some liked it , some didnt , a few didnt like it but came up with viable alternatives .

Just my own opinion

 

[John Stoutbeard]

Again, what is being suggested is NOT a group to moan at Frontier, it's a group to bounce ideas off of.
If you're going to be against a design discussion group / player council (I think that's a bad title for it) at least understand what is being suggested.

Nothing prevents anyone from feeling entitled in that group, to (ab)use the channel they have been granted, and with their own passion they have a perfect opportunity to invoke their own agenda, promoting their own needs.
It's human nature to care & tend for ourselves.

It's a bad idea. It could become the new 'Hotel California management team'

 

[Darth Ender]

i'd suggest everyone just think about why Fdev would care to listen to anyone on the forum, open themselves up to such an interaction and scenario ...and allow their development roadmap (and thus budget) to be modified by someone or group that hasn't taken the time to create powerpoints and flowcharts and have meetings to justify any such changes in terms of short term and long term profits?

They're making money just fine doing what they've done for the last 5 years. They'd have no business case to change that. This is not a passion project. Not for a long time.

 

[Vetinari]

i'd suggest everyone just think about why Fdev would care to listen to anyone on the forum, open themselves up to such an interaction and scenario ..

Because we are paying and mostly playing customers and they want our future business. Its not that hard really. Whether they listen to it or say 'No its a terrible idea' like Bruce often does is another thing and thats up to adults to act like adults and accept it. But not listening or responding in the first place is just not good.

How they do it is up for debate, whether they do it should not be at all.

 

[Mr Swainey]

No player parliament of puffed-up popinjays, please.

 

[Darth Ender]

Because we are paying and mostly playing customers and they want our future business. Its not that hard really. Whether they listen to it or say 'No its a terrible idea' like Bruce often does is another thing and thats up to adults to act like adults and accept it. But not listening or responding in the first place is just not good.

How they do it is up for debate, whether they do it should not be at all.

Wrongggggg

You are a "paid" customer. You already gave them your money. That's your vote to say "I like what you're doing". They dont need any further input from you.

Maybe you wont pay them again with some future purchase, but they dont seem to have any problem in finding other customers who continue to pay them ... so no reason to change.

 

[Vetinari]

I don't buy ARX? I wont buy Odyssey? I wont be a future customer? I didn't buy the game for other people long after I bought it for myself? - I think paying is the right tense. Either way I am still a customer. By your reasoning LEP are the last ones to listen to as they stopped paying and will never pay.

Just coz I take a meal home from the takeaway doesn't mean I missed my chance to say something at the time or even give feedback after Ive eaten it. Whether they act on it or not is up to them but they at least listen...

You sound like a dodgy builder.