Let's say proper aviaries don't happen. What then? What would it take for you to be satisfied, personally?

Hypothetically, for whatever reason, aviaries just don't come to pass. We don't end up getting any type of new animal enclosures beyond the existing exhibits and habitats. What then, in your eyes, would be a sufficient (or close-to-sufficient) replacement?

As much as I want aviaries, I think I'd be mostly okay with an animal pack of 7 different habitat birds. Something like, gray crowned crane, helmeted guinea fowl, emu, saddle-billed stork, black swan, golden pheasant, kiwi. Or name your species, I know some people really like the secretary bird or ground hornbill or whatever, and that's totally fine. No matter how you look at it, there's a drastic shortage of birds in this game, even just considering the mostly-flightless ones that would work well enough in open air habitats. I think that a substantial addition to the bird roster would help mask the fact that we wouldn't have aviaries... as it stands, 1 new bird roughly every other DLC release isn't ideal for this outcome.

Or, alternatively, would anyone be okay with throwing realism to the wind here and just getting your eagles and parrots and toucans and whatever else and have them function more or less like any other animal? I think that would be a massive letdown, much more so than being skipped over altogether.



Slightly off topic, but I discovered earlier that one of the semifinalists for the competition that resulted in Magnet the polar bear's inclusion in the original Zoo Tycoon was a bald eagle. It's kind of crazy to think we could've ended up with a bald eagle all the way back then in the first major zoo sim, but people voted on an actual clone instead. For the record, two of the other semifinalists were a fossa and a pair of koalas, which also would've resulted in new species being added. Just thought that was really interesting, with regard to the flying bird discussions that keep cropping up surrounding this game.
 
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If there's no flying birds that will be a shame, but if that's the case I mainly would want the more wading type of birds, but possibly 1-2 ground based as well:

Road Runner and Ground Hornbill for the more typical bird shape ground based birds

For wading birds or the atypical bird shape as I call it, the long and thin type of bird I'd go with: Marabou Stork, Roseate Spoonbill, Scarlet Ibis, Secretary Bird and Red Crowned Crane. There's four of these types of birds I'd like to see from Africa ultimately, but I think having 2 of the four, along with representation from other parts of the world balances that out. The Marabou Stork doesn't seem to be a very popular suggestion but it's pretty high on my bird list, and having one stork already knocked out a second one.

I think though...I'd almost be okay with throwing realism to the wind. But I would be massively disappointed at the same time that the more flight oriented birds would not fly. It's a pretty tough choice for me, but I'd ultimately have to say...either have the mechanics in and make it work, or just go without and stick to the birds that can fly in real life but do best a large amount of time on the ground rather than the air or in trees.
 
I know this is a hypothetical thread but to me no aviaries would be a major disappointment tbh. Especially considering frontier has the experience and knowledge with jwe to make them work. I don’t even mind if they run on looped animations which is what I expect honestly. But really this is the aquatic pack mystery all over again.... can frontier implement it? Can they make it work? But much like the aquatic pack frontier will make aviaries work one way or another. Probably even better then expected just like the aquatic pack. Frontier likes to take their time perfecting everything and making it as good as possible. Now brachiation is a little more of a mystery as to date the climbing is the best to ever appear in a game and a major accomplishment in its own right. But frontier has the talent to make it work and much like in the past if frontier knows its fan base wants such a feature they will look into it.
 
Some birds I would be okay to see as placeable "objects". Owls would be okay like this and some birds of prey, you don't see them move a lot in captivity anyway.
Place one in a tree and build an aviary around it. I think that could be alright
 
Personally I'm really not that fussed on aviaries, so if they never happen, they never happen. It would be neat and it's definitely a highly requested feature, but it's really not going to impact my enjoyment with the game--although I love your suggestion of getting more grounded birds (instead or in addition to the aviaries)!
 
Tbh, I dont expect any sort of flying birds navigating the habitat. I think we can expect looped animations type of exhibit with birds, which would be fine with me as long we have have several sizes and they are customizable.

Still hoping for kiwi and secretary bird though.
 
I would just be happy with Secretary Bird, Shoebill, Roadrunner, Victoria Crowned Pigeon, Kiwi and Lady A Pheasants.

If they ever add these Aviaries I would like Lyrebird, Snowy Owl, Burrowing Owl, King Vulture, Quetzal, Kea, Harpy Eagle and Bearded Vulture.
 
I was never very interested in flying birds but I would be completely satisfied with:

1. Shoebill
2. Gray crowned crane
3. Saddle billed stork
4. Secretary bird
5. Pelican
6. Emu
7. Greather Argus
#birdsanimalpack

And if we could get also deluxe to this, I’d pick:

1. Kiwi
2. Ground hornbill
3. Guinea fowl
4. Rhea
5. Any goose or swan
6. Kakapo
 
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Hypothetically, for whatever reason, aviaries just don't come to pass. We don't end up getting any type of new animal enclosures beyond the existing exhibits and habitats. What then, in your eyes, would be a sufficient (or close-to-sufficient) replacement?

Personally don't fully expect this to be added to the game. I bought the base game knowing that aren't any aviaries. And highly requested features often doesn't mean it will be added.
That being said, The JWE dlc with their aviaries gives some "hope" this to be added in a paid DLC. We haven't seen free animals in free updates, don't expect this to suddenly change.
Don't mind being wrong on this. :D

I think I'd be mostly okay with an animal pack of 7 different habitat birds
If this would be added as 1 DLC, not a big fan of that. i'd prefer those birds to be mixed/added to other packs.
A 7 habitat birds pack doesn't sound that exciting and imo becomes boring after a short while. I think DLC should have some variation and 7 animals with similar workings isn't much variation.
And we've heard several people not caring that much about birds, i think every DLC should try to cater to most players.
 
At this point in time it's hard to imagine why it wouldn't work... but if that turns out to be the case, then I say stick to what works... skip the aviary birds and just keep adding "normal" animals...
 
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I think there's a way to do proper aviaries. The biggest limitation to flying birds was always going to be navigation through a 3D space, but they nailed that with aquatic animals. So now the only hurdle is covered habitats, which is absolutely doable (I have in the past outlined a possible way to do it that isn't excessively complex and still allows for customisation).

Of course, there's no guarantee that they will give us birds, but we never thought aquatic animals were guaranteed either, so I'm still hopeful.

In the spirit of the thread, however; I wouldn't be dissatisfied without flying birds. Disappointed, sure, but not dissatisfied. I do think we need a greater range of birds, though, beyond two ratites, the flamingo, only one pheasant, and penguins. In terms of birds I'd like to see in the game, my top five choices are a pelican (often kept in zoos outside of aviaries, Wellington Zoo here in New Zealand had a pelican that was loose in the lake around their monkey island), of course the kiwi (because obviously I want that), the magpie goose (as limited as the X-Box Zoo Tycoon was, the magpie goose was one of my favourite animals from it), the Japanese red-crowned crane (endangered, and I absolutely love Japanese gardens), and the Himalayan monal (a beautiful bird that would mix really nicely with the red panda in a habitat).

I'd also love to get the helmeted guinea fowl. All of these species are suitable for regular habitats like the flamingo of Indian peafowl.
 
Meanwhile on yesterday's LionRider stream: functional flying birds mods are in works, because flying is already (technically) in the game.
Peacocks can do that (arent they only one bird in ,,birds,, folder, while other are in ,,flightless birds,,?) but they need to be motivated to do it. The thing is, they want to fly as much as gorillas want to climb according to LR. Im very curious how these modded birds will work and look. Cant wait.

So i dont see reason why frontier wouldnt add aviaries. It is just matter of the time at the moment.
 
Personally I don't really care if we don't get aviaries, because I would see them as exhibits, that I hardly use in my zoos. But, I would love to have more ground dwelling birds, my favorites being the scarlet Ibis, the secretary Bird and the red crowned crane !
 
Personally I don't really care if we don't get aviaries, because I would see them as exhibits, that I hardly use in my zoos. But, I would love to have more ground dwelling birds, my favorites being the scarlet Ibis, the secretary Bird and the red crowned crane !
Honestly, I just want to say that I've always found this position to be so...odd. Exhibits might not be the most entertaining inclusion but I don't know how anyone can call their zoo "complete" without them. Every zoo in the world has microhabitats for reptiles, for example.

Anyway, the scarlet ibis would need to be kept in an aviary. I don't know why you would assume aviaries would be like exhibits.
 
Honestly, I just want to say that I've always found this position to be so...odd. Exhibits might not be the most entertaining inclusion but I don't know how anyone can call their zoo "complete" without them. Every zoo in the world has microhabitats for reptiles, for example.
Well, that's just my preference of playing, to each their own I guess ! I'm not saying exhibits are bad or anything, I just don't use them a lot, because I like to create big habitats, choose where and how I put scenery etc., and with exhibits I don't have this freedom. If aviaries happen to be some "big box cages", like exhibits, I wouldn't care too much about them. Again, not saying they shouldn't exist, they just wouldn't suit my personal play style. But we don't know what they would look like, so it's just speculations.

Anyway, the scarlet ibis would need to be kept in an aviary.
I've seen scarlet ibis only once, in a French zoo, they were in an open enclosure (no roof, no netting) paired with grey crowned cranes. That's why I put them in the "ground dwelling birds" category (maybe it's not the right term to use, what I mean is: birds that don't need cage/net). I know they can fly, but pelicans can too and in all the zoos I've been pelicans were in open enclosures :) same with scarlet ibis I guess !
 
Mandarin duck, Agami heron, Himalayan Monal, Palawan peacock pheasant, Temmincks tragopan, Takahe, Kakapo, Spotted wood quail, Crested partirdge, (a) Junglefowl, Capercaillie, Roseate spoonbill, Sooty grouse, Brush turkey... the list goes on. I could write ground(functioning) birds out for an hour. Birds are my favorite area of the animal kingdom, and it saddens me that theyre missing so greatly from a game that otherwise is so beautiful. I don't think no flight mechanics is an excuse, but i also know that the biggest seller in this game is cute mammals. Still it's a missed opportunity. Birds bring color and athmosphere like nothing else.
 
Mandarin duck, Agami heron, Himalayan Monal, Palawan peacock pheasant, Temmincks tragopan, Takahe, Kakapo, Spotted wood quail, Crested partirdge, (a) Junglefowl, Capercaillie, Roseate spoonbill, Sooty grouse, Brush turkey... the list goes on. I could write ground(functioning) birds out for an hour. Birds are my favorite area of the animal kingdom, and it saddens me that theyre missing so greatly from a game that otherwise is so beautiful. I don't think no flight mechanics is an excuse, but i also know that the biggest seller in this game is cute mammals. Still it's a missed opportunity. Birds bring color and athmosphere like nothing else.
I disagree entirely. I think a successful update of aviaries paired with a large dlc for aviary animals would easily be the best preforming dlc PZ could possibly have.
 
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