I am sorry, there is no polite way to say this: Oh ye gods of basic education, that's utter nonsense. Evolutionary principles work across all of time and space. They (would) apply to Thargoids just as they apply to any other life form. Either they are able to increase their numbers, or they go extinct, in which case they couldn't (COULDN'T) have evolved in the first place.
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I am sorry, there is no polite way to say this: Oh ye gods of basic education, that's utter nonsense. Evolutionary principles work across all of time and space. They (would) apply to Thargoids just as they apply to any other life form. Either they are able to increase their numbers, or they go extinct, in which case they couldn't (COULDN'T) have evolved in the first place.
The ones we have met may indeed go extinct, especially with humans determined to wipe them out, but there may be many more elsewhere. We do not know how many Thargoids there are, where they are from or how many may exist elsewhere, well away from humanity. They may not even be from our galaxy. We still don't know which parts of previous lore ED is using, but at least one version says the ones we are encountering now are a small contingent on the run from another Thargoid faction. In this case they most likely evolved somewhere else, and the small part of their entire species that is here is simply trying to survive while they consider their next move, or are possibly passing through and got stuck here longer than they intended, or any of a number of other possibilities. In the absence of any information about their motives or presence we simply don't know enough to judge the entire species from the few we have encountered.
All of your assumptions about Thargoids can be summed up thus - you don't actually know, and nor does anyone else at this point, so you are guessing. Until we get more of their story you are basing your assumptions on incomplete knowledge.
All of your assumptions about Thargoids can be summed up thus - you don't actually know, and nor does anyone else at this point, so you are guessing. Until we get more of their story you are basing your assumptions on incomplete knowledge.
So I only had a basic education and never studied Biology in-depth or even considered looking at the history of evolution.
But your point of "Evolutionary principles work across all of time and space", strikes me at a bit pedantic!! How do you know this statement to be true? Have you travelled across time and space?
You dismiss Pphree's statement of your assumptions being a human concept, but have you travelled to another planet to study the evolution there? Do you know someone that has? Have you met someone/thing that evolved on another planet? The answers to all these questions are no!!
So I am afraid you cannot deny your assumptions are based on human concepts because you have no knowledge from any other species not of this planet! Nor do you have any proof that what we believe to be how evolution works is a Univeral norm!
For the record, evolution is not always "beneficial" to a species, or even for an individual organism. This can be very counter-intuitive at times. For those who find this puzzling, or interesting, I have included two 5-10 minute videos below from Primer's channel that help illuminate this complexity.
Here is a brief video explaining Selfish Gene theory:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mTVtToioLg
And here is a brief video high lightning and demonstrating certain fundamental principles of natural selection:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZGbIKd0XrM
Here is a brief video explaining Selfish Gene theory:
And here is a brief video high lightning and demonstrating certain fundamental principles of natural selection:
Maybe they been too busy with civil war / fighting between 2 factions, or only recently found an antidote to Mycoid an are getting back on their feet / tentacles / suckers / whatever before attacking properly. Most attacks so far could be seen as probing to test defences or defensive to protect the territory we have been invading....or maybe they going through their 60's Give Peace A Chance phase and will be back in the 80's with lethal and devastating music videos...
...or they waiting for most people to learn to stand up before they make their full re-appearance
...or they waiting for most people to learn to stand up before they make their full re-appearance
After the development of any intelligent species, in the places where it is, biological evolution ceases to exist.
In fact, biological evolution can exist before man.
As natural selection is replaced by artificial selection.
I am highly frustrated by peoples' ability to ignore the numerical argument I made earlier.
well your original math made 2 assumptions and then said war with Guardians was millions of years ago, we know they went extinct about 1m years ago so could have been late in the day so your timeline could be well off in the first place.
Then you assume they are spread out, humans arent spread out, majority are in the bubble near their origin.
We havent found the Thargoid home worlds or systems or regions for definite, Jameson apparently found something, we dont even know they live in this dimension or galaxy rather than just visiting for the rich resources every so often or staying here for brief amounts of time which might be measured in years, decades or eons.
We know they congregate in clusters and next system might be empty even.
We dont know where they appear from or where they jump to, we cant read their wakes.
We dont know how old they live to or when they reach maturity to reproduce.
We dont know what the pods are around Tharg ship sites.
We dont know that where they live has the same rules of time or that they arent travelling at lightspeed but time travel is probably out.
Usual limits on expansion of any species are food and resources and territory disputes and survival conditions. We know enzymes destroy most metals, maybe our space is toxic to them and they only here for short periods of time. Maybe the supply of meta-alloys is their limiting factor and its only found in very few spots.
Or maybe its just a story and if we couldnt move for Thargoids it wouldnt be that much fun.
Then you assume they are spread out, humans arent spread out, majority are in the bubble near their origin.
We havent found the Thargoid home worlds or systems or regions for definite, Jameson apparently found something, we dont even know they live in this dimension or galaxy rather than just visiting for the rich resources every so often or staying here for brief amounts of time which might be measured in years, decades or eons.
We know they congregate in clusters and next system might be empty even.
We dont know where they appear from or where they jump to, we cant read their wakes.
We dont know how old they live to or when they reach maturity to reproduce.
We dont know what the pods are around Tharg ship sites.
We dont know that where they live has the same rules of time or that they arent travelling at lightspeed but time travel is probably out.
Usual limits on expansion of any species are food and resources and territory disputes and survival conditions. We know enzymes destroy most metals, maybe our space is toxic to them and they only here for short periods of time. Maybe the supply of meta-alloys is their limiting factor and its only found in very few spots.
Or maybe its just a story and if we couldnt move for Thargoids it wouldnt be that much fun.
By the way, as far as I know, Targoids are not in the Red Book.
Now I am even more frustrated about your complete missing of the point.
You see, it doesn't matter what precise numbers you enter in that equation. Do the math with any combination that fits your perception.
For bonus points, do the same math for humanity in ED, and go 1000, 2000, 4000, 5000 years into the future to compare the number of humans with the number of stars in the galaxy.
I don't know if I can explain it clearly.
One of the theories of GEI as the earth to sustain life on earth shows that humans cannot move far away from the earth. You know, like their minds shut down. This would at least explain that no matter how many other civilizations there are they can't get far away from their planet.
No one will ever come to us!
Thargoids are a faction of hyper-evolved humans from the future who, dismayed at the monsters the human race have become and the murder and suffering that has been inflicted on the galaxy, have travelled back in time to wipe out the human race before it can visit those atrocities on the universe at large.
True story ...
True story ...
By the way.Thargoids are a faction of hyper-evolved humans from the future who, dismayed at the monsters the human race have become and the murder and suffering that has been inflicted on the galaxy, have travelled back in time to wipe out the human race before it can visit those atrocities on the universe at large.
True story ...
Somewhere it was mentioned that the Targoids in the game are female.
It also mentions two varieties of Targoids. Maybe the second one is a male? The War of the Sexes and everything
Ever seen a bee-hive? One Queen and lots of drones and workers. Two Queens can co-exist for a few days but if the weather is bad and one cant leave its war until one is killed.
You could have multiple bee-hives in one field. Plenty of activity near the entrance but there arent bees on every flower.
A Queen is created by feeding a larvae some Royal Jelly when it is needed - when the hive gets too big and needs to split otherwise no new Queens
Only Queens can lay eggs
A swarm can leave and survive for a limited time, if they find no new place to nest they die out
So it can be a self-limiting system
Pesticides and diseases or just a bad winter can wipe out a large population of bees over a large area. In the US they have bee-keepers who move hives around to pollinate due to over use of pesticides
Jameson delivered Mycoid - even if Thargs were everywhere 200 years ago a serious dent was made in the population very recently
Your math assumes a continual reproduction rate doubling every X years - no other species has done this successfully due to the limiting factors on the species mentioned in the other post, humans are close to overpopulation of the planet now where it is unsustainable, if theres nowhere to expand to....
Are bees intelligent?
Are you saying that the Targoids are not intelligent?
I remember reading a story like Saimak, where ants couldn't become intelligent because they went to sleep every year. And then he built them a CUPOL
define intelligence and what are we measuring to say yes or no they have it
Tharg ships are organic in nature, they are grown not built. Birds can fly because they have wings. Fish can swim. Spiders make webs. Bees make complex shapes that are most efficient in terms of space. Cicada mate every 7 years to have the minimum predators. Some things are granted or evolved by nature that dont need intelligence to be. All creatures communicate with each other. Bees communicate using the Sun as a positional marker and share their knowledge.
Humans are intelligent and yet cant really speak any other creatures language, we can teach some of them to speak ours.
I would say only plants and similar very basic life forms arent capable of intelligence, but depends on the definition.
Tharg ships are organic in nature, they are grown not built. Birds can fly because they have wings. Fish can swim. Spiders make webs. Bees make complex shapes that are most efficient in terms of space. Cicada mate every 7 years to have the minimum predators. Some things are granted or evolved by nature that dont need intelligence to be. All creatures communicate with each other. Bees communicate using the Sun as a positional marker and share their knowledge.
Humans are intelligent and yet cant really speak any other creatures language, we can teach some of them to speak ours.
I would say only plants and similar very basic life forms arent capable of intelligence, but depends on the definition.
I understand YOU.define intelligence and what are we measuring to say yes or no they have it
Tharg ships are organic in nature, they are grown not built. Birds can fly because they have wings. Fish can swim. Spiders make webs. Bees make complex shapes that are most efficient in terms of space. Cicada mate every 7 years to have the minimum predators. Some things are granted or evolved by nature that dont need intelligence to be. All creatures communicate with each other. Bees communicate using the Sun as a positional marker and share their knowledge.
Humans are intelligent and yet cant really speak any other creatures language, we can teach some of them to speak ours.
I would say only plants and similar very basic life forms arent capable of intelligence, but depends on the definition.
Plants essentially have a mind too, they make their flowers bright so the bees can pollinate them more easily, etc.
When I said Targoids, I meant that their mind is on the lowest level (if you can call it that), like that of animals.
Thats evolution, the more pollinated plants reproduced the most, the least pollinated died out. Variations in colour / smell either attracted more or less pollinators. Some give back to the pollinator through nectar, some dont, some fool the pollinator and then eat them
Got ya. Translation issues. They are more like wasps than bees then. And we all know the people in charge are in league with the wasps...remember when you were a child and a wasp came near and the adults said 'Stand still!' so it could sting you for no reason, they dont say that about any other creature that may harm you, not jellyfish or tigers or anything, just wasps.
And you do the same math for bacteria on Earth in the last few billion years...
Of course it doesn't matter what numbers you enter into that equation, as long as that equation completely disregards the possibility of death, and other limits.
Uh, that is my whole point? Something must be killing Thargoids. What is it?