General / Off-Topic While we're waiting, Antares launches in around 30 minutes (2230 GMT ish)

Slopey

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Slopey
Pennyblack said:
I love the constant camera switching, getting the angles. The place is wrecked. I'm surprised they're still feeding the link considering.
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Yeah - I'm amazed they're still showing the live feed with the chat from the loop. Great coverage.

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Interesting - classified crypto equipment on it. Bet that wasn't on the manifest.
 

Nara

Nara
Kicks said:
I am going to come across as a sourpuss, but here goes...

We're trying to advance ourselves, and get to a place where the universe we pretend to play in, in "Elite Dangerous" becomes a reality.

I think the comments making fun of it, and comparing the failure to the game are ill-thought out and immature.

Success, comes from experience. And experience, comes from failure.

Please don't get childish about this.

Fully prepared for incoming insults.
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Perhaps poor taste, but immature and childish is a bit strong.

No one was hurt and NASA will have learnt a lot from this failure. And it's a very strong reminder of what we are trying to achieve and how difficult and dangerous it is.

It's a very common reaction, of events like this, to attempt to make light of it, and when no one was hurt I don't see the issue.
 

filth

filth
Slopey said:
Yeah - I'm amazed they're still showing the live feed with the chat from the loop. Great coverage.

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Interesting - classified crypto equipment on it. Bet that wasn't on the manifest.
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Yeah that was very interesting to hear - "secure the area". I´d love to know what it is. We will never find out.
 

zamalek

zamalek
Kicks said:
Fully prepared for incoming insults.
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Wrong forums, I'm pretty sure everyone here is on-board with the space program :). However, considering that nobody was hurt or killed, there is nothing wrong with laughing at your own failure.

Saying that they are idiots or other nasty things would be childish.

filth said:
Yeah that was very interesting to hear - "secure the area". I´d love to know what it is. We will never find out.
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I'd assume nothing more interesting than the communications/telemetry/avionics electronics.
 
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Kicks

Kicks
Nara said:
Perhaps poor taste, but immature and childish is a bit strong.

No one was hurt and NASA will have learnt a lot from this failure. And it's a very strong reminder of what we are trying to achieve and how difficult and dangerous it is.

It's a very common reaction, of events like this, to attempt to make light of it, and when no one was hurt I don't see the issue.
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You make a fair point, in that NASA's reaction versus this forum's reaction are, and should be, vastly different.

(don't worry, I know how to joke with the best of them).

This was disappointing. I guess I just want people to realise that a lot of effort goes in to these things, and it means *a lot*, both in increases in technology and our understanding of it.

Hence my sourpuss mandate ;)
 

Sammi79

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Explosion at the bottom of the rocket near the main thrusters at 3.07 in that replay. A few seconds before it something went wrong, the exhaust flare lost its shape, got brighter and the ascent slowed considerably.
 

Georgio

Georgio
If anything it looked like the main engine shut down just after launch, when the view pulled out and the rocket stalled and dropped.
 

krysohmyz

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zamalek said:
I'd assume nothing more interesting than the communications/telemetry/avionics electronics.
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Yes, I think the company is just trying to protect it's know-how, rather than "hide" something.
And we have to forgive them that bit of a panic.

Sammi79 said:
Explosion at the bottom of the rocket near the main thrusters at 3.07 in that replay. A few seconds before it something went wrong, the exhaust flare lost its shape, got brighter and the ascent slowed considerably.
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It actually looked kind of like the fuel caught fire all along the surface of a stage 1...
 
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Nara

Nara
Kicks said:
You make a fair point, in that NASA's reaction versus this forum's reaction are, and should be, vastly different.

(don't worry, I know how to joke with the best of them).

This was disappointing. I guess I just want people to realise that a lot of effort goes in to these things, and it means *a lot*, both in increases in technology and our understanding of it.

Hence my sourpuss mandate ;)
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I'm entirely with you on that. Also, any accident like this means means money lost, and governments will be less likely to want to fund future endeavours. Which could be a very sad thing for us all.
 

Slopey

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Slopey
Georgio said:
If anything it looked like the main engine shut down just after launch, when the view pulled out and the rocket stalled and dropped.
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If you look back at the YouTube footage, there's a failure at the engine big time. Something went pop down at the bottom.
 

Cosmos

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Kicks said:
I am going to come across as a sourpuss, but here goes...

We're trying to advance ourselves, and get to a place where the universe we pretend to play in, in "Elite Dangerous" becomes a reality.

I think the comments making fun of it, and comparing the failure to the game are ill-thought out and immature.

Success, comes from experience. And experience, comes from failure.

Please don't get childish about this.

Fully prepared for incoming insults.
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Well said ;)
 

OfftheRails

OfftheRails
Aurazor said:
I wonder if anyone heard what I heard seconds before the boom...

"Main engine at 108%"

Yeah Im gonna take that as a bad sign.
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The space shuttle did this all the time. The engines were originally spec'd to x MN of thrust. That's the original 100%. Upgrades, further tests and so on allowed them to be run safely at x-and-a-bit MN. Rather than track down every single document, manual, press release and checklist to rewrite it with the new numbers, they just set the new limit at 108 - or whatever - percent. Simpler and less prone to errors.
 

zamalek

zamalek
krysohmyz said:
Yes, I think the company is just trying to protect it's know-how, rather than "hide" something.
And we have to forgive them that bit of a panic.
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Not exactly my line of thinking, but similar. Every rocket launch is probably a national security concern - a hijacked rocket could do some serious harm. Given that, the communications with the rocket are probably encrypted at a classified level.
 

Al-Hala

Al-Hala
zamalek said:
Interesting that it was such as "small" explosion, things have definitely come a long way since we sent the first rockets into space.

It's results - it's one more thing they will know to avoid next time: especially when launching people.
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fun fact: they have completely different reliability and risk protocols when launching equipment vs people; stuff they risk with unmanned flights is totally unacceptable with manned flights these days. After the fiasco of the "o-ring decision by management", the astronauts fought for and gained veto. I was reading a post recently by a risk assessment officer who was advocating it was too expensive to keep around all these astronauts doing jobs lesser skilled people could do (aka cheaper). Some people never learn...

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Sammi79 said:
Lift off acceleration looked good, but when it got about 3/4 of the way up past the support it slowed dramatically. Looked too heavy almost.

Glad no one was on it or near it.

Be interesting to hear what went wrong.
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Absolutely. Although, it had to be lack of thrust for some reason. Motor cut out, burn through, something. Otherwise it'd never get off the pad at all.

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Pennyblack said:
I love the constant camera switching, getting the angles. The place is wrecked. I'm surprised they're still feeding the link considering.
I think that was my first actual live launch on the nasa site, normally I view the IIS cameras. Not going forget that one am I. I really hope they can ration that loo roll to one piece per; yer that.!
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They've got sufficient supplies until the next Progress lift; that was fed through the stream while the pad was burning.

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Thinquar said:
No insults from me, in fact you're getting a +1 for it.
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Agreed. Although, black humor isn't out of place. No people are missing, no one reported injured, no astronauts in danger of running out of Kleenex.
 

Rocktopper

Rocktopper
Can you believe this...Beta 3 launcher upgraded, ready to play...but I can't tear myself away from this live feed, even though nothing's happening now.

:S
 
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