Pushing negative reviews on SOCIAL MEDIA

[Gauntlet]

I have been as disappointed as anyone about the state of the release but Elite is and always has been an exercise in patience.

So I'll be spending most of my time in Horizon's until FD gets their Biowaste together for Odyssey.

Trying to kill the game with social media bombing(?) seems akin to 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' and if its really causing anyone that much rage or anguish they should probably just walk away for a while.

 

[amigacooke]

Doubt that will be much use, I haven't seen Queen Elizabeth II nor Bojo comment on Odyssey, so I bet they are busy enjoying the game instead of complaining!

How do you know?

Security demands that you're unlikely to see Commander QE2. Maybe Commander (of the Garter) LizzyIrulz!?

 

[Just]

Going out to bash as far and wide as possible really feels like crossing the line between legitimate complaint and poor reviews (thoroughly deserved) into vindictive spitefulness.

Yeah, reminds me of divorce.
I mean, I haven't had the pleasure to experience this kind of life adventure ( yet ).
But it still reminds me of it

 

[NeilF]

So your solution is to bash Frontier until they drop the game because no matter what they do there will be endless complaining at anything they post and any work they show?

Bit of a strawman?


While I don't know what the answer is, IMHO we've witnessed about 4-5yrs of all too often poorly managed, poorly conceived, shallow bolt on content, now culminating with the largest development effort ever to ED (hundreds of man years of effort?) delivering a rather questionable outcome.

Given I personally think the new FPS content is of little or no interest (it'll be a Multicrew 2.0), can you understand why I'm frustrated why the biggest development effort ever for ED, seven years into it, basically has added little/nothing of any significance/interest to me? How all that development effort could have in my eyes added so much more of interest/meaning elsewhere? And I suspect I'm not alone with this thinking...

 

[Rat Catcher]

We are cheated and at the same time we know that Elite is the only game of its kind on the market

So you advocate being so negative, over a poorly delivered update, on Social Media, is the best possible course for the game?

Yeah, that'll get it fixed

Good luck!

 

[Agema]

These forums are so predictable, personally I wonder how we have so much people here that clearly dislike anything Fdev does or does not, shouldn't they play games from companies that offer better service for them? I mean before Odyssey was announced there was this "shallow game, I'm fed up, game is dying/doomed, no new content..." When Odyssey was announced, then new type of whining started "Why it takes so long, I wanna play it NOW...SERIOUSLY Fdev"...and that lasted about untill Alpha phase. When Alpha ended even then people whined why Odyssey was not immediately released after that. Okay it eventually got released, with more or less serious bugs. Now there is of course huge outrage "HOW THEY DARE TO RELEASE STUFF LIKE THAT" "I'm gonna refund, and post damning review, and spam all the social media...and so on and on."...okay if this stuff is not going to kill game, lets fast forward year or two...Fdev puts out new DLC..."Odyssey was best ever, this new DLC is buggy mess, lets review bomb this to oblivion....HOW they DARE to publish this kind of rubbish, worst game developers ever"

Basically, yes.

When Yahtzee Croshaw said "Fans are clingy, complaining dipshits who will never, ever be grateful for any concession you make. The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices, the happier you'll be for it", it might have been a little excessive and aggressive, but there's also a core of truth in there. There's a constant stream of demands from people who don't know how to make a game and what sort of effort and difficulties are involved, who want product to be delivered in a short time in perfect condition and with no consideration as to whether it's financially viable.

None of this is to excuse the fact that Odyssey is clearly unsatisfactory and plagued with problems. By all means complain, but I draw the line at some deranged revenge fantasy that proposes trashing the game publicly to make it unviable for anyone to play ever again.

 

[Old Duck]

Just keep it civil, please. I despise "Cancel Culture" that targets individual people like a mob of vigilantes. I quit Twitter in protest because of it. #RehireGinaCarano!

It's one thing to express one's own frustration (I do it all the time), it's another thing to actively pursue the fall of an individual or even a company. Just something to think about..

BTW, if you're looking to push for some sort of change, you might push for Frontier to change their classification of Odyssey to "Early Access" with an appropriate disclaimer in the description warning new customers of the current state of the game.

 

[Just]

So you advocate being so negative, over a poorly delivered update, on Social Media, is the best possible course for the game?

Yeah, that'll get it fixed

Good luck!

It will, indeed!

There won't be more failed expansions and updates,
performance issues,
even random disconnections,

when money suits in FD get reports about ED being a financial burden and making FD sustain ongoing PR damage on the top because of all this extensive negative feedback.

You can't have any of problems mentioned above, after they shut servers down.

EDIT: I think it may be your 2nd post in short time I felt the urge to reply with an "explanation for dummies".
I hope you don't mind.
Not that I care if you do

 

[Gauntlet]

While I don't know what the answer is, IMHO we've witnessed about 4-5yrs of all too often poorly managed, poorly conceived, shallow bolt on content, now culminating with the largest development effort ever to ED (hundreds of man years of effort?) delivering a rather questionable outcome.

Given I personally think the new FPS content is of little or no interest (it'll be a Multicrew 2.0), can you understand why I'm frustrated why the biggest development effort ever for ED, seven years into it, basically has added little/nothing of any significance/interest to me? How all that development effort could have in my eyes added so much more of interest/meaning elsewhere? And I suspect I'm not alone with this thinking...

As a glass half full cmdr, I like to think that FD have used up all the mediocre ideas and the next ones can only get better?

 

[TiberiusDuval]

Off course all these complainers could go and get their space game fix from elsewhere...lets find out: there is No Mans Sky, with cartoonish graphics, mini planets, fully arcade flight model and so on. And then there is eternal alpha pay to win gankfest called Star Citizen with exactly one solar system. And some other way smaller budget games, like X4 series. And that's about it. Like it or not, this "mediocre" "shallow" product is about best game in its genre. Torpedoing it is like shooting on your own leg. But of course people would be happy if whole genre gets such reputation that no sane publisher would touch it with kilometer long stick.

 

[NeilF]

As a glass half full cmdr, I like to think that FD have used up all the mediocre ideas and the next ones can only get better?

I think you underestimate their ability for mediocre ideas I mean, they actually sat through meetings and decided CQC should be stand alone content, rather than invested into the core game. And that Multicrew was worth the development effort. etc...

And now, we've just seen the same level of insight with exo-biology lock picking, and IMHO with the whole concept of adding FPS content at monstrous development expense....

Can a leopard change its spots after 5-6yrs?

 

[Just]

Off course all these complainers could go and get their space game fix from elsewhere...lets find out: there is No Mans Sky, with cartoonish graphics, mini planets, fully arcade flight model and so on. And then there is eternal alpha pay to win gankfest called Star Citizen with exactly one solar system. And some other way smaller budget games, like X4 series. And that's about it. Like it or not, this "mediocre" "shallow" product is about best game in its genre. Torpedoing it is like shooting on your own leg. But of course people would be happy if whole genre gets such reputation that no sane publisher would touch it with kilometer long stick.

That about sums this up.
Of course reasoning, logic, facts are not something you could use
to convince people who somehow have not grown out of wishful thinking
to anything else then their brilliant and totally plausible ideas.

 

[Ydiss]

Same here, they were already on thin ice with me after only playing the game for a year and seeing all the issues with it they could have easily addressed. Now we get this pure unadulterated, shallow little turd called Odyssey, and well my dude that was IT for me with these people. It was the straw that broke the camels back. And all the fans that have been white knighting for these clowns, making all sorts of excuses for clear and evident bad game design, can SHOVE it, like, for real. You are NO different than the foaming at the mouth, lunatic Star Citizen fans to me, and you are proving my point every time you open your damn mouth.

Thanks for informing us on your life choices. Be sure to return soon to let us know how you're getting on. This is important to us.

Sincerely
White Knight (who criticises the game constantly but still somehow isn't in histerics over a bullet point list saying "we'll fix the game"... Identity crisis! Maybe I'm a grey Knight? Rainbow? Off-white? Nah, easier just to just call everyone who disagrees with you the same name, easier for you to keep track. White Knight it is!)

 

[TiberiusDuval]

I dont want to go back to Horizons simply because I feel like I was scammed by a company that made a game I've spent so many hours in. Like its soured the whole experience, why spend my time playing a game made by a company who doesn't care about their product anymore.

While NMS is not as interesting, and personally I don't like the flight mechanics, at least they've gone above and beyond trying to fix the damage they did to the people willing to buy and stick with their product.

Im past the point of anger....im just sad and tired of Elite as a whole now..

Well I would understand this if Fdev would have told to players, that yeah that's it for Odyssey, its done deal, and we ARE NOT GOING to issue any patches and such. But in reality they are doing just what Hello Games did, and putting quite major effort on repairing game.

 

[Alien]

After the disappointing road map in terms of communication,

It wasn't disappointing, they told us exactly what David said they'd tell us. If you expected more, that's on you, not Frontier.

Look, if you are disappointed, which let's be clear, is only because you built up expectations beyond what Frontier laid out, if you are disappointed, you are free to play something else, in fact I encourage you to.

And before I am accused of white-knighting, yes Frontier did mess up the release of Odyssey. I have always said releasing it to meet a financial year-end deadline to please shareholders is the wrong attitude to have in game development, but that's my opinion, and I accept that Frontier will not listen to anything I say.

You basically have three choices in all this ...
Play the game.
Don't play the game.
Complain.

Only one of those is the wrong choice.

 

[Ethaidan]

hHo una community da gestire su Elite. cosa dovrei dire ai più scontenti e longevi del gioco per avere ancora pazienza? Di nuovo? fino a? a tempo indeterminato?

You are forgetting once again that the problem is not just here on the forum. Who will I have in 3 months to manage the 40 systems on the BGS side? You others who are always positive?

Wait a minute... You want to spearhead a targeted negative social media campaign to drive people away from ED, but are now complaining that you might not have enough in game support for your BGS work? Shoot yourself in the foot much?

 

[vtore7744]

It wasn't disappointing, they told us exactly what David said they'd tell us. If you expected more, that's on you, not Frontier.

Look, if you are disappointed, which let's be clear, is only because you built up expectations beyond what Frontier laid out, if you are disappointed, you are free to play something else, in fact I encourage you to.

And before I am accused of white-knighting, yes Frontier did mess up the release of Odyssey. I have always said releasing it to meet a financial year-end deadline to please shareholders is the wrong attitude to have in game development, but that's my opinion, and I accept that Frontier will not listen to anything I say.

You basically have three choices in all this ...
Play the game.
Don't play the game.
Complain.

Only one of those is the wrong choice.

Have you become god and decided what choices are right and wrong? Your not my god and I will make my own choices and not take your advice.

 

[[VR] Enexemander]

Well I would understand this if Fdev would have told to players, that yeah that's it for Odyssey, its done deal, and we ARE NOT GOING to issue any patches and such. But in reality they are doing just what Hello Games did, and putting quite major effort on repairing game.

Oh, that's rich.

 

[Alien]

Have you become god and decided what choices are right and wrong? Your not my god and I will make my own choices and not take your advice.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

 

[vtore7744]

I will never be intimidated in to silence by anyone. So far this game is unplayable for me and I will continue to say so until it changes.