Odyssey has driven away more players than it attracted
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I'm not convinced things are as dire as they appear,I'm holding out hope that there's a ton of additions to the game that they haven't finished yet. The launched product certainly appears unfinished. If this is as good as it gets I'll dust off the pitchfork with the rest of them.
Ah you are one of those.. What happened? You bought put options? You just like to see things burn?
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I can confirm similar observations of my own friend list (about 3 pages long so not huge, but still...) - it's always the same 3-5 players logging in now (not concurrently), often only a couple at a time if any at all (I usually play CET evening hours). Some still only play in Horizons. Completely different story shortly after go-live, never seen so many FL players concurrently online before, but that dropped off a cliff now.
Yes, but would you care to elaborate the relevance to this thread and maybe also consider FDev stock price while doing so?
Full Disclosure, I agree with OP...but...
There is a reason Steam Charts aren't a totally valid comparison. Especially so close to launch time.
Immediate Accessibility to Reviews.
That's the double-edged sword of platforms like Steam (for the developer, I mean) - positive reviews that are highly accessible (literally next to the BUY button) significantly drive sales upwards. However, the opposite holds true. Review bombing (legitimate or not) of EDO will have curtailed sales drastically. Add in Steam's ability to reference news articles...most of which explain EDO had a rough launch and many refunds...well, it's not surprising to see player counts on steam falling.
Do I think the whole population is suffering? Absolutely. Do I think it's happening at a similar rate to Steam? Probably not, but it's hard to say if we're talking a few points difference or many. What we do know is that Braben did a rather quick apology, which garnered news attention that FDev likely didn't want. Of course, it's a tactical choice. (Remains to be seen if a tactical error.)
Don't say anything, Steam Reviews Get Worse, and News might cover that and do even more damage.
Say something, News will cover that because you spoke up, Steam Reviews might reflect willingness to forgive/wait, hope it does less damage.
...or the alternative, say something, news covers it, and it still goes to heck in a hand basket because you said something.
As the week is panning out, it may have been a tactical error. We shall see. Regardless, FDev is on its heels as far as Elite is concerned for the foreseeable future. Anything they do can quickly turn a bad situation worse, and there is very little they can do to make it better. That happens when, well, you release a faulty product under false marketing and blatantly ignore common sense development practices. 2021 has been a continuation of the banner year (2020) for really stupid and completely avoidable mistakes by game companies.
There is a reason Steam Charts aren't a totally valid comparison. Especially so close to launch time.
Immediate Accessibility to Reviews.
That's the double-edged sword of platforms like Steam (for the developer, I mean) - positive reviews that are highly accessible (literally next to the BUY button) significantly drive sales upwards. However, the opposite holds true. Review bombing (legitimate or not) of EDO will have curtailed sales drastically. Add in Steam's ability to reference news articles...most of which explain EDO had a rough launch and many refunds...well, it's not surprising to see player counts on steam falling.
Do I think the whole population is suffering? Absolutely. Do I think it's happening at a similar rate to Steam? Probably not, but it's hard to say if we're talking a few points difference or many. What we do know is that Braben did a rather quick apology, which garnered news attention that FDev likely didn't want. Of course, it's a tactical choice. (Remains to be seen if a tactical error.)
Don't say anything, Steam Reviews Get Worse, and News might cover that and do even more damage.
Say something, News will cover that because you spoke up, Steam Reviews might reflect willingness to forgive/wait, hope it does less damage.
...or the alternative, say something, news covers it, and it still goes to heck in a hand basket because you said something.
As the week is panning out, it may have been a tactical error. We shall see. Regardless, FDev is on its heels as far as Elite is concerned for the foreseeable future. Anything they do can quickly turn a bad situation worse, and there is very little they can do to make it better. That happens when, well, you release a faulty product under false marketing and blatantly ignore common sense development practices. 2021 has been a continuation of the banner year (2020) for really stupid and completely avoidable mistakes by game companies.
I like seeing things burn that have no justification to exist.
Let's say the universe was handed to you in a given state. I.e. when you were born, there were already houses, trees and animals.
- If you do nothing, the state's value doesn't change (+/- 0)
- If you advance something like building a house, the state increases in value (+1)
- If you destropy something like burn a house down, the state decreases in value (-1)
For me, elements that have a negative value have no justification to exist. This is the case if the better action is to do nothing. I'd like to to have elements that cause negative values (to which I count Odyssey) removed from the universe.
You obvioulsy don't need to think in houses or whatnot but I hope that explains the whole idea of postive, neutral and negative.
I know this is so many miles beyond your comprehension, but I am just going to point out there are people on this planet who are not you. As in, other people. There are quite a few of them even! And some of them, or rather most, spend their lives enjoying stuff you don't. All the stuff these other people (I know, the concept is puzzling!) enjoy doesn't lose their 'justification to exist' just because you don't like it. Because, again, you are not the only person on the planet.
I know you don't mean bad and this is literally just something you don't intuitively grasp as most people would, but wanting to see a game 'burn' because you don't like it is kinda the thing a dingleberry does. And you don't want to be a dingleberry. I'll explain later why, but it has to do with 'other people' again. It is going to be recurrent topic in the discussions ahead.
Ugh ...
Those frustrated with criticisms such as OP's being expressed and their spammy, pointless comments are getting sillier by the day. :')
Wonder if the cognitive dissonance will cause a breaking point eventually, or if they're just going to keep getting more ridiculous as time goes on (I mean there HAS to be a limit right?)
Wonder if the cognitive dissonance will cause a breaking point eventually, or if they're just going to keep getting more ridiculous as time goes on (I mean there HAS to be a limit right?)
I think you mistake subjective opinions for objective facts.I know this is so many miles beyond your comprehension, but I am just going to point out there are people on this planet who are not you. As in, other people. There are quite a few of them even! And some of them, or rather most, spend their lives enjoying stuff you don't. All the stuff these other people (I know, the concept is puzzling!) enjoy doesn't lose their 'justification to exist' just because you don't like it. Because, again, you are not the only person on the planet.
I know you don't mean bad and this is literally just something you don't intuitively grasp as most people would, but wanting to see a game 'burn' because you don't like it is kinda the thing a dingleberry does. And you don't want to be a dingleberry. I'll explain later why, but it has to do with 'other people' again. It is going to be recurrent topic in the discussions ahead.
First, I like the game but I dislike the expansion. I would like to play Elite without it, odyssey should be removed until it is something that doesn't (objectively) decrease the quality of the game. Why is it objective? Because numbers have no opinion. And since more than just me, the many 'others' as you call them, refuse to participate in the happening of the game, I can very well claim that Odyssey has a negative impact on the game, objectively, supported by numbers (facts) that do not offer room for interpretation or subjective values.
Then. I'm fine with others enjoying Odyssey (I have written that multiple times in other posts but not gonna look them up that now) but I simply wouldn't care. Live and let live. Hey if you enjoy Odyssey, that's cool! I personally can't close both eyes and enjoy Odyssey (and hence I didn't buy the expansion) and there are many others that share point of view as reflected in the steam charts I have referenced.
What I'm trying to say here are two (three) things:
1. We are not speaking about opinions, we are speaking about facts (namely observable player numbers dropping)
2. Odyssey has a negative impact for the game as of 1.
(3.) I like the game, I dislike the expansion and recommend to withdraw it until it is ready (and that IS an opinion but 1. and 2. are not)
I have this idea that this is actually FDevs goal. You get folks to buy the game, then you make it so they dont play it. Why? Server costs. I think, but please correct me if I have this wrong, since I've thought this about all games online, that they pay a fee to AWS or something based on usage. So with less players eating up bandwidth (or some computery jargon) FDev pays less. My solution? No matter what they do, keep playing! Chat more ingame. Shoot more stuffs!
This is going in FDevs favour, if Im right about what I suggested above. To combat this, have more players on, and busy.
The most convincing acting job of the whole thing..he really didnt like them. The way this scene should have ended, is when he throws the thing he's holding at the skyhopper, a whole boat load of other stuff should have flown too...a taste of the power of the dark side, you know?But but but....
I'm kind of the same (but please note I'm absolutely not agreeing with some of your posts on here) but has the implementation of Odyssey damaged Horizons so much that it's now unplayable? I chose not to play Odyssey but Horizons doesn't seem to have been too badly affected. From what I've seen.
Still twice more players than before dlc or in comparison to April 2015 or September 2020. So its all good.
And I have the game in EGLauncher.
No, it hasn't.