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ANNOUNCEMENT Odyssey: Update on VR and Ship Interiors
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fdev could spend half the money on things they think are important and the other half on things the players want (read ship interiors and VR) but they decided to spend it all on things they thought would be good, the only conclusion when I arrive seeing everything that has been done, it's that they're sabotaging fdev, there's someone in it getting paid to sabotage and make the wrong decisions to break up the company and make them give up the Elite, it doesn't make any sense for them to have taken these decisions thinking that it would really work, someone deliberately convinced them of that to screw up the game, it's a case of police, they didn't make 1 new ship...
Lmao yet most of their ED income comes from selling ship paints. Genius abounds
Quite possible they were infiltrated by SC spies. They have the money to afford it. All the ideas that mr Braben had were stolen by Star Citizen.
Ship Interiors, EVA, Planetary Landing, Planetary Atmosheres, Weather, Big Cities, Mining, Missions etc...
Exploration is the only thing that SC couldn't steal - but a DLC with the epic adventures name like Odyssey had almost none of it.
Very susspicious...
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Not really. All FDEV had to do was not ignore all the customers that paid for their success in the pursuit of greed.
Thanks for spending all this money on a spaceship game with certain features we are going to stop supporting… we will take most of them away and turn the game into a crappy version of COD in space.
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They could catch more flies with honey than vinegar...
Pretty much.The part about all this that kills me is, if the free cam works in VR, to me at least (in my limited compression of coding) it should be pretty easy to implement and fdev is being unreasonable stubborn about it
They want to "do it right" not hack it in.
What "doing it right" means to them is ... Unknown, but it clearly doesn't mean just making it "possible to use in VR"
They spent development time making it so it went into flat screen VR. So they clearly don't want to just use the stuff that works as a side effect of the base code
You know that crap also attract flies?
Touche
It would seem the marketing research department decided crap was their best option also
Personally I think, based on the given evidence, they tried to release a product with the least effort possible and fix the few bugs afterwards.
It went wrong and got far out of hands because of bugs they have no longer under control. They are working 24/7 on the gigantic pile of nearly unfixable (youknow). Therefore there are no actual fixes for other things. No plans for anything else. But also the enhancements, that David anounced, will be with the least effort possible.
Not even hire more staff would help because there is no time to train them on the systems.
We just can wait and push them just so much that they know they can't mess with us, but not so much that the staff is quitting their jobs.
Because then we are screwed and Elite will die.
It is a very thin line.
If only so many bridges hadn't (seemed to have been) burnt with all the original dev team that knew cobra
Maybe on foot play in VR gave all the devs/testers heavy motion sickness, and they expected a huge disappointment from the players if they enabled it. I don't believe the issue was simply technical either, given how ppl say in ship gameplay VR is great
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In that case it is quite a misjudgement. Many VR players spend significant amounts of time in VR and have developed quite steady VR legs (the irony of this jargon should not be lost!). I have no issues playing games like SkyrimVR for extended periods of time without motion sickness.
Skyrim vr and borderlands 2 vr only really give me motion sickness if I'm seated and using a controller instead of the VR controllers. Because I can move way more freely and rapidly, it still takes more than an hour to sink in for me though
Sooo... I just gave https://github.com/fholger/openvr_fsr a shot with Elite (it replaces the game's copy of openvr_api.dll, and injects AMD's FSR between the game and SteamVR), trying a few different resolutions, upscaling ratios, and sharpening strengths...
I don't know... I can't say I, to my taste, discern getting any better image quality to frame rate ratio, than I do by simply letting the game render the same actual rendered resolution normally, without any subsequent "smart" upscaling.
The main problem should of course be the good old: "Sheet in, sheet out"... If the resolution is too low for the game to choose to generate a denser LOD, and then have the resolution to render it out with minimal aliasing or blur, we're upscaling a sparser one, and just "magnifying" its problems.
Mentions are made here and there in the game's config files, of LOD tables... I don't know whether one can try editing those, and see whether that could yield anything, instead of just brute-forcing supersampling, but have to imagine their levels already being optimised for a reasonably 1:1 relationship; Push it, and you are likely to suffer more aliasing; Relax it and: hello lowres...
IMHO; For a Valve Index (about 15ppd), the new terrain needs an absolute minimum x1.5 "HMD Quality" (...or equivalent in e.g. SteamVR render resolution multiplier (EDIT: 225%)) plus x1.25 of the game's inbuilt supersampling; The former for detail and sharpness, the latter for "pre-swallowing" the worst aliasing - both contributing to a more "stable" view.
Below these numbers, the LODs just don't look right, and are too blurry, to boot.
Others may have different sensibilites.
I don't know... I can't say I, to my taste, discern getting any better image quality to frame rate ratio, than I do by simply letting the game render the same actual rendered resolution normally, without any subsequent "smart" upscaling.
The main problem should of course be the good old: "Sheet in, sheet out"... If the resolution is too low for the game to choose to generate a denser LOD, and then have the resolution to render it out with minimal aliasing or blur, we're upscaling a sparser one, and just "magnifying" its problems.
Mentions are made here and there in the game's config files, of LOD tables... I don't know whether one can try editing those, and see whether that could yield anything, instead of just brute-forcing supersampling, but have to imagine their levels already being optimised for a reasonably 1:1 relationship; Push it, and you are likely to suffer more aliasing; Relax it and: hello lowres...
IMHO; For a Valve Index (about 15ppd), the new terrain needs an absolute minimum x1.5 "HMD Quality" (...or equivalent in e.g. SteamVR render resolution multiplier (EDIT: 225%)) plus x1.25 of the game's inbuilt supersampling; The former for detail and sharpness, the latter for "pre-swallowing" the worst aliasing - both contributing to a more "stable" view.
Below these numbers, the LODs just don't look right, and are too blurry, to boot.
Others may have different sensibilites.
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What really helped me get VR legs was to actively anticipate the motion and thinking about how it should feel. This was particularly helpful in Skyrim when jumping, falling and similar activities. Doesn't work with forced motion of course, but any motion due to your own input it should work for. It was a bit strange in the beginning but I now do it instinctively.
Same, i have ironed my mind and my brain in practising VR for hours.
They should have been put an advertisement on a VR option like " beware, this could make you sick, enable it at your own risk ".
Enabling VR in Odyssey is not that difficult : very basically just putting the hud into the free cam mode and walk with an xbox pad OR if you have rudders you can use them for walking ( it also removes motion sickness in this case ).
If i was skilled i would make a mod to enable hud on free cam and perhaps some basic ship interior by editing vessel models and adding a basic corridor from cockpit to stairs ( but no animated door sadly ), just for the purpose to show that it is possible to do without a lot of effort.