"Elite Dangerous is dying"

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you made me wake up my dog.
Sorry about that!

Update 6 did introduce promise to the planet tech. This was the biggest improvement by far. Unfortunately the performance was not much better. I think optimization is being worked on while short term stop gap measures FSR and CAS are introduced to squeak some fps improvement. We really don't need this upscaling stuff, we need optimization, and I'm hoping that FDev is successful in doing it. I'm sure it is difficult and taking time, but that is a make or break item for EDO. Not yet there.

Then there is the gameplay. EDO might be a good introduction to "legs", but again it has a ways to go to integrate better with ship side of things, as well as improvements to gameplay. I'm hoping for the best. Why not? It is far better than being depressed and making claims of DOOM.

I really do enjoy EDO, though mostly because I have top end hardware and stick mostly to the ship side of things with a little bit of foot (virtual 2D VR is very disappointing but playable). I'm having fun, I play on. Hoping the best for ED in the future.
 
Sure. It's always easy to claim afterwards, especially when you know for sure that this thesis can never be proven. So you will be the winner in any case, no matter what the final outcome. Well played. 😇
That argument is frankly just the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming loudly. After the release of EDO in the criminal state that it was in, after seeing the near indifference to the initial reaction, until the outcry became impossible to ignore, to suggest - as you are - that this outcry played no part in FDev's belated response is bordering on pathological denial. It's also a claim that was already made beforehand, and it was done so because it was clear that action from FDev would be the most likely thing that would result from it.

Seriously, do you genuinely think that we would be seeing FDev go off plan, pump resources that were earmarked for other projects, into fixing Odyssey, without any pushback from the community? Because, your statement effectively claims this and to do so flies in the face of what we have all patently witnessed.
 
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Would you prefer simply unfinished? Or broken? Perhaps incompetent? Or is the diversion of pedantry more important for you than the actual discussion at hand?
I just find such drama hilarious...

Pedantry is rife between you and I, hadn't you noticed?

ETA: Which discussion, particularly? The game is obviously dying, much like you and I, it won't go on forever, will it?
 
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Would you prefer simply unfinished? Or broken? Perhaps incompetent? Or is the diversion of pedantry more important for you than the actual discussion at hand?
your maybe disappointed that most games are unfinished in some form, Not all or any of the AAA rated games are completely bug/glitch free.take example of call of duty ( the first one) buildings weren't close together so people use it for a glitch shot.an you really think some of the Beta Testers are going to Say to The fdev's that there a glitch at so and so. When most of the Said Beta Testers are HUMAN and will manipulated the situation
 
The game needs more diverse content. Have to tip my hat to sc here where they do have more content. It might not be what you or l want but it's diverse and wide ranging. Looting hulks in space for example.
Missions for exploration are a must. I've no idea why this hasn't been implemented.
The black is to all intents, empty. Which is reality...or is it? Who's to know what's really out there. But staying ic and so far into the future, one could assume there would be stuff out there. Old ships burnt out alien wrecks.
I found a colony once about 10k out from the bubble on the way to colonia ironically, alone and very odd. Adds to the games potential to just have more stuff going on.
I like the game as is, God knows o) I play daily have been for almost 2 years.
I've found my niche. But l would like to see more out there.
Quite what idk that's upto fdevs and player suggestions.
 
your maybe disappointed that most games are unfinished in some form, Not all or any of the AAA rated games are completely bug/glitch free.take example of call of duty ( the first one) buildings weren't close together so people use it for a glitch shot.an you really think some of the Beta Testers are going to Say to The fdev's that there a glitch at so and so. When most of the Said Beta Testers are HUMAN and will manipulated the situation
If the only problem were that the game was unfinished on release, we could count ourselves lucky.
Pedantry is rife between you and I, hadn't you noticed?
I find it tedious.
ETA: Which discussion, particularly? The game is obviously dying, much like you and I, it won't go on forever, will it?
While I do hold on to some hope, it does admittedly look like the game is in that final phase. Nonetheless, while you may be happily ensconced in the acceptance phase, I'm not yet ready to go gentle into that good night.
 
It's the lying during the time of the launch that gets to me. I can forgive bugs and needs for improvement. But deliberately lying to thousands and thousands of people ....

In my naivete, I thought Frontier was "better".

Shame on me.

I am hoping that the crisis at Blizzard Activision will be a wake up call and cause a final push for actual creatives and coders to unionize.
 
While I do hold on to some hope, it does admittedly look like the game is in that final phase. Nonetheless, while you may be happily ensconced in the acceptance phase, I'm not yet ready to go gentle into that good night.
Of course not - while the game lives players, ex-players and never-players are able to behave as if a major artery has been severed by a buggy expansion release...

So, you agree, the game won't last forever?
 
o no it isnt dying
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It's the lying during the time of the launch that gets to me. I can forgive bugs and needs for improvement. But deliberately lying to thousands and thousands of people ....

In my naivete, I thought Frontier was "better".

Shame on me.

I am hoping that the crisis at Blizzard Activision will be a wake up call and cause a final push for actual creatives and coders to unionize.
Basically this.

Fd showed a very debatable expansion plan for Elite, spreading a lot of lies here and there.

The one about interior ships as stated by Fd iitself in newsletter 29 and the fact that even one month ago Fd admit they weren't working neither know if interior will be developed it tell a lot about the respect they (don't) have of their customer.

Even now in update 6.1 they can't fix bug of a very questionable release (not to say: a scam).

So yes Elite isn't dying: elite is dead years ago when making shareholder happy became more important than making your customer happy.

Glad don't support anymore this company.
 

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Don't think the game is dying as such, but it's on a downhill slope. It is dying for me personally though, and looking at my friend list (which is about 3 pages long so not huge but it's still an indicator nonetheless) I actually seem to be one of the 1/4 of players of that particular sample size who still play at all. Many haven't logged in in weeks if not months, and not sure if they'll come back or not.

EDO had a bit of a resurgence over the past week and a half or so for me, with patch 6 which improved the worst performance issues for me, but when I step back a little the biggest reason for that is because I reset my CMDR and started from scratch.

But after playing for the past week or so, the following problem areas are becoming proper stumbling blocks for me to continue to enjoy and play the game (I'm leaving performance out as I found a sort of compromise that works well enough - as disappointing as it is to have to lock a 7 year old game to 45fps on a year old mid-range PC):

General look of the game compared to Horizons - the lighting is still highly inconsistent, and there's a LOT of visual glitches that don't occur in Horizons
Lack of game-play options in Odyssey - basic looter/shooter with a self contained engineering loop, and scanning plants is all we got essentially
Bugs - relentless, I hoped the fabled code base refresh would nip many of these in the bud but instead we got plenty of new bugs and lots of regression issues from past years. I always played around them but it's hard to ignore them now... for ex. 3 Horizons engineers (Martuuk, McQuinn, Ishmaak), unlocked for me just like that without having met the prerequisites. Sure I'll take it but it's still incredibly lame that this happened.

Considering that about 70-80% of the aforementioned fun I had over the past few days was Horizons gameplay related, the second point is a bit of a problem because I've played Horizons for well over half a decade already, and hoped for sufficient new content to keep me going. This hasn't materialised with EDO unfortunately, and I very much doubt there's much more in the pipeline anytime soon, as Frontier are too busy fixing the mess they themselves created.

The second wind I got from my CMDR wipe is almost gone now. The above two issues combined with a further disintegration of internal logic and consistency (I traded 192t of Fruit & Vegetables with a settlement that happened to be powered down and had not a single NPC present was the latest example) make me wonder why I still play this game, certainly not for immersion these days.

And since I can't see the issues I mentioned in this post being addressed anytime soon.... for this individual CMDR the future ain't bright unfortunately, not something I expected to say a mere 3 months after the biggest DLC update released for my favourite game ever.

PS - one thing I wouldn't underestimate is the current Steam rating. Whenever I browse Steam for a new game I'll check those out first, even before checking YT/written reviews, and a game that doesn't at least scores "Mostly Positive" simply gets ignored in my book - too many other games out there competing for one's time.

To what extent this will impact console sales I have no idea (most consolieros probably don't look at Steam reviews I'd say!) but Odyssey's reputation is already in tatters, the game's on last gen hardware so if I was Frontier I'd think long and hard about going ahead and hold on to the console versions. I have a feeling their sales will completely bomb if and when they release.
 
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