Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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That was totally uncalled for. Why not just correct them?
Tend to call them like I see them, but ok. Just facts then.
You might want to take a gander at the forum rules at some point.
Most of the problems have little to do with the doors at all...apart from like you mentioned...object containers, different atmosphere's, gases and goodness knows what level of tomfoolery Ci¬G decided to hide behind each one...besides all that, the problem with doors, ramps, ladders and transitioning between spaces in SC is made inordinately more difficult by server lag and desync since the transition between physics grids etc (Object Container Streaming) is streamed from the server. This is why we have ladders of doom, elevators leading to black holes of nothingness and ship ramps that have suddenly turned deadly. It's the desync between OCS (Client side) and SSOCS (Server Side Object Container Streaming). I should add I have absolutely no idea how it all works, I'm not a network engineer...this is just from what I vaguely understand...but I play enough Star Citizen to know the servers (or the lack of them) are the issue.
On a fresh server, nobody has these problems...tired or maxed out servers...everyone has them. It's a sign I look for on a server before deciding to switch...elevator doors not spawning or the doors opening to a black hole. Once the server gets to that stage...irrelevant if you've just spawned into it or not, it's not long before the inevitable 30K.
Server issues...they sum up 95% of all the problems with SC.
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How long from fresh to tired?
SC is the worst experience I have ever had trying to play a game.. After flying around and enjoying being able to walk around ships, I landed at a city and began to travel to a nearby planet to mine. My mined minerals would not stick in my ship after hours of gathering them. I then reloaded and I have 4 copies of my ship - none of them I could recall. So I got a lift from another player and went back to the space station beside crusader, and could not load any ships their either.
A day later I logged back on and went back to arduous mining, only to get logged out and lose everything 4 times in a row... Then they had some internal issue which wiped roughly 60 thousand credits off my account (not much, just a newbie). Another guy had millions of credits wiped WHICH HE PAID FOR, and support (who ere very nice to be fair) basically said too bad, we can't give them back. Imagine paying out the nose for credits, getting them wiped due to a tech issue and being told tough .
This was just the beginning, i was still holding onto to the dream concept of SC and mostly for me, walking around a ship which felt amazing. So over a few days i was doing a little bit of mining, however every second - third trip the game was crashing. It soon dawned on me that people on youtube ranting about how it was unplayable were NOT exaggerating. BETTER AGAIN.... i then spawned in a city (the space station was no longer an option) and i literally couldn't get out of my living quarters it was sputtering and stalling so much. I have a pretty good PC - that was not an issue. It was lagging to death and I have since re-downloaded it twice and its the exact same.
Also, the way they set it up to where you have to spend ALOT of real money for bigger and better ships, it was an insulting kick in the balls. The game looks so amazingly beautiful, walking around your ship while your traveling, the interiors... holy crap it was a work of art and the most immersive thing ever.... but the actual game play.. horrible! and for those saying 'hey man, you need this and that in your pc', I see youtubers playing SC on top tier pc's and you can see it still stuttering and lagging...
I know ED doesn't have as many ships, and its painfully regretful we can't have ship interiors, planets are not as nice and there is no element of real , physically immersion to the level of SC (at least the concept of SC), but at least its playable / has things to do / is improving / and isn't trying to put its hands in your pockets.
A day later I logged back on and went back to arduous mining, only to get logged out and lose everything 4 times in a row... Then they had some internal issue which wiped roughly 60 thousand credits off my account (not much, just a newbie). Another guy had millions of credits wiped WHICH HE PAID FOR, and support (who ere very nice to be fair) basically said too bad, we can't give them back. Imagine paying out the nose for credits, getting them wiped due to a tech issue and being told tough .
This was just the beginning, i was still holding onto to the dream concept of SC and mostly for me, walking around a ship which felt amazing. So over a few days i was doing a little bit of mining, however every second - third trip the game was crashing. It soon dawned on me that people on youtube ranting about how it was unplayable were NOT exaggerating. BETTER AGAIN.... i then spawned in a city (the space station was no longer an option) and i literally couldn't get out of my living quarters it was sputtering and stalling so much. I have a pretty good PC - that was not an issue. It was lagging to death and I have since re-downloaded it twice and its the exact same.
Also, the way they set it up to where you have to spend ALOT of real money for bigger and better ships, it was an insulting kick in the balls. The game looks so amazingly beautiful, walking around your ship while your traveling, the interiors... holy crap it was a work of art and the most immersive thing ever.... but the actual game play.. horrible! and for those saying 'hey man, you need this and that in your pc', I see youtubers playing SC on top tier pc's and you can see it still stuttering and lagging...
I know ED doesn't have as many ships, and its painfully regretful we can't have ship interiors, planets are not as nice and there is no element of real , physically immersion to the level of SC (at least the concept of SC), but at least its playable / has things to do / is improving / and isn't trying to put its hands in your pockets.
The way the spawning into servers seemingly works is by shoving new logins onto almost capacity full servers before spinning up another...so you join a server as a client...if a mate then tries to jump in and join you, he sees a full server 95% of the time. Conversely...if you party up from the main menu and launch into a game, you'll usually find the server relatively quiet for a time since it can't dump party launches onto a server with one space. During Free-fly events with higher than normal player counts...the servers are struggling...or there's not enough of them to take up the slack. Individual logins are perpetually shoved onto tired servers with one or two spaces being freed up by someone logging out. As for the time before a server dies...during peak times it can be as often as you log in...quiet times, usually a bit longer than an hour before the signs start appearing that the server is lagging and struggling.
Once the server starts breaking down, there'll be what appears to be a few attempts as it tries to recover when the entire game seems to pause for a second and then carries on... then it inevitably crashes out. It's like it's trying to spin up another server, finding there's none available and just crashing out with a 30k.
Server capacity...it's a complete mess. It's not like Ci¬G can just stick in another rack or two and spin them up...they have to pay AWS to do that.
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Strange, I heard you can go anywhere in under 3 minutes and you can't seem to even get off your bed?
Someone buying aUEC? I take it he bought it from EBay...if he had bought UEC from the web store...whilst being a completely silly idea in the first place, it's also then tied to his account and cannot be wiped, it would have automatically been restored if that had been the case. Ci¬G don't wipe account related and bound content....neither can you just lose it due to either bugs, client or server crashes.
aUEC is game earned currency and not tied to the account...or seemingly bought via a third party, grey market or Ebay reseller in this case. I know this because you can't go buying millions of UEC (or aUEC) from the webstore. Purchases are limited to 10k or 20k at a time and since it's UEC rather than aUEC, it isn't instantly available in game unless the persistence database is wiped...
I have absolutely no sympathy for clowns who buy alpha currency from third party resellers. He would have lost it all along with everything he bought in game with it after a persistence database wipe in any case.
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Actually not. Multiple maps stitched together. The fixed ones (city maps for instance) have less issues with transitions (there are some in places where 3D teams didnt smooth out the seam though (*)), the moving ones (ships, transports) are problematic. Also euclidian coordinate system, for each map. Creates a huge problem for relative "horizontal" position depending on where you are on the planet (explains the completely wrong HUD scales) as planets are not flat. (edit) lifts (including the big one at the entrance of the surface complex in that FPS mission on Hurston) are also separate maps, with their own coordinates. Explains a lot of things..
(*) some parts inside the small settlement habs / trade buildings for example. You notice the seam when walking over it, there's a noticeable jerk, like when you get over a ramp, while the floor is flat.
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This. A lot of doors (also ramps, ladders and elevators) mark transitions between "grids". A ship have an inside grid with a specific gravity, atmosphere, temperature, etc. When you leave the ship (by ramp or door), you switch to another grid with a specific gravity, atmosphere, temperature, etc.
Elevators are like small ships with their own grid.
The most notable experience you can have is when your ship is upside down on a planet and you leave it. You see the gravity shift occur when leaving the ship's grid.
Do you have solid proofs of what you say ? Because what you call "transitions between maps" is what we can call in fact a "server meshing T0"... You are just saying that CIG already have some sort of server meshing, which we all know (and CIG said) they have not for now...
"noticeable jerk" = streaming of assets. Just install the game on a HDD and you will have enough time to see your HDD reading the data in your task manager while seeing the assets beeing displayed in front of your avatar.
Try a "missing person" mission, the ones not in caves. They really immersives.
Backers voted for that in 2013! You didn't know?
Also: concerns raised from backers older than [current year-3] are not admissible.
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Two words...Chris Roberts
