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Dunno every game seems to have it's share of cheerleaders which are a bit delusional... 
Even on the other parts of this forum, people have pretty laughable comments which have raised my eyebrows.
Or Fallout 76, widely trashed, but it had defenders "it's not that bad really" and so on. But if someone finds subjective fun out of something, even if there's objective issues or technical issues, i can't criticism them for having fun. I can criticise the objectively bad bits.
As i do with SC: both have fun, but criticise the game.
Even on the other parts of this forum, people have pretty laughable comments which have raised my eyebrows. Or Fallout 76, widely trashed, but it had defenders "it's not that bad really" and so on. But if someone finds subjective fun out of something, even if there's objective issues or technical issues, i can't criticism them for having fun. I can criticise the objectively bad bits.
As i do with SC: both have fun, but criticise the game.
What's weird about that is the person being teased here for fanboyism is upvoting your coment laughing at fanboyism over there. So there is some sort of detachment going on. They can see that it happens but don't associate their own behaviour as being the same or see it as being different when it is something they really like. I find it interesting how people have those opposing stances.Dunno every game seems to have it's share of cheerleaders which are a bit delusional...
Or Fallout 76, widely trashed, but it had defenders "it's not that bad really" and so on. But if someone finds subjective fun out of something, even if there's objective issues or technical issues, i can't criticism them for having fun. I can criticise the objectively bad bits.
As i do with SC: both have fun, but criticise the game.
Dunno every game seems to have it's share of cheerleaders which are a bit delusional...
Or Fallout 76, widely trashed, but it had defenders "it's not that bad really" and so on. But if someone finds subjective fun out of something, even if there's objective issues or technical issues, i can't criticism them for having fun. I can criticise the objectively bad bits.
As i do with SC: both have fun, but criticise the game.
Agree to some extent, but CIG seem to have copped more than their fair share of the crazies.
Its not just SC though, it seems to be the MMO community that has a higher % of dreamers and downright wierdoes than any other game genre. Perhaps ED doesn't get quite the same level because its not viewed as a MMO by many, or maybe because FD don't go around telling people that the game will be everything they ever wanted (at least, not so much since kickstarter).
Games (or non-games) like SotA, CoE, Earth 2, SC actively and repeatedly tell players it will be the game to end all games. That the game will have everything and more!!!
And some people, they actually believe it.
A number tryinh to hype it up with cryptocurrenies shpuld tell you all you need to know: They're all in for easy unregulated cash by selling pure fantasies.
I think the discussions around SC tend to attract the crazies from both sides, the faithful and the detractors. On the detractors side, the more even balanced have a tendancy to be like my views on Fortnite...never played it but dislike the game and it's community purely on principle.
I'll have some whilst I wait for the business analysts and accountancy sections to wake up...just to remind me that Fortnite didn't cost $400m.
I'll have some
whilst I wait for the business analysts and accountancy sections to wake up...just to remind me that Fortnite didn't cost $400m.
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It's where the children went after Minecraft. There is a lot of peer pressure in that age group.Fortnite is an insane business machine. I never could get into hero shooters or battle royale games, though. I would, however, enjoy a walking space sim with a cheesy plot being played out among characters potrayed by Hollywood's best.
If someone was willing to release it
O/T to Star Citizen, some friends - not really gamers - play Fortnite. Their youngest son has a strain of autism (can't remember the exact type) and they play Fortnite as a family as something that the whole family can do without bringing in too many external variables. He's a young teen now which is a difficult time of life at the best of times...
Anyhoo, back on topic!
I think the discussions around SC tend to attract the crazies from both sides, the faithful and the detractors. On the detractors side, the more even balanced have a tendancy to be like my views on Fortnite...never played it but dislike the game and it's community purely on principle.
I'll have some
Probably talked about this before. But i really enjoyed the original Fortnite, Save the World, which was a coop tower defense game. I sunk hundreds of hours into it.
But when i started playing, they had already hit on their money making machine, Battle Royale.
It copped a lot of flack from the PvE community playing StW because they felt like the devs were ignoring it in favour of putting all their efforts into BR. Possibly right, but without the money rolling in from BR, they might not have had the money to keep developing StW. It wasn't a particularly popular game to start with and Epic are known for dumping games that don't do well (cough Paragon cough).
I also played BR sometimes with the kids, and they played StW with me, but we had our preferred modes, so usually we didn't.
But then Epic started adding elements to StW that made it more like BR and BR they started adding PvE elements and it seemed like they had some long term plans to merge them (no idea if that ever happened, not followed for ages). But the changes they made were not to my liking, so eventually, i stopped playing.
Then they made Battle Breakers, a turn based game on a board, suited for mobile and PC play, and i got into that quite heavily. But once again, after some time, they started making changes i didn't like. So i stopped playing.
The long and short of it is, i'm not buying anything developed by Epic ever again. It seems like they have a habit of making games i like, but then over time, transforming those games into something i don't like. Maybe others like those changes. They certainly had their fans as well as detractors.
Anyway, what was the topic?
I don't think it's the game itself that forms my views on Fortnite...but mainly because it's full of overly competitive and completely irritating squeakers, the same thing that made my gaming time on Xbox live feel like I was just an unpaid babysitter for other folks unruly brats. I'm just too old to be that tolerant any more...I got into gaming when I was already in my mid 20's and comparatively old by todays standards.... Back in the bronze age when I was an irritating squeaker, I was building and riding ancient Brit motorbikes dug out of my grandfather's byre...jailbait as the local copper Jimmy MacRae called me.
Back in those days though, when we got caught up to no good...MacRae the copper gave us the option of a kick in the backside or being taken home in disgrace to our parents...Our answer was always the same, "A kick in the backside please Mr MacRae."
Sandy MacLeod the local farmer who had a grove of pear trees at his ancient farmhouse was also allowed to shoot the local children who were already brave enough to risk having the seat of our keks being torn to bits by his dogs. There was more than a few times my mates and I ended up picking rocksalt out of our sore behinds, fired from old MacLeod's blunderbuss as we were scrambling over his wall with a jumper full of pears
Different days
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Well, that's what I call proper Battle Royale rounds.I don't think it's the game itself that forms my views on Fortnite...but mainly because it's full of overly competitive and completely irritating squeakers, the same thing that made my gaming time on Xbox live feel like I was just an unpaid babysitter for other folks unruly brats. I'm just too old to be that tolerant any more...I got into gaming when I was already in my mid 20's and comparitively old by todays standards.... Back in the bronze age when I was an irritating squeaker, I was building and riding ancient Brit motorbikes dug out of my grandfather's byre...jailbait as the local copper Jimmy MacRae called me.
Back in those days though, when we got caught up to no good...MacRae the copper gave you the option of a foot up the backside or taken home in disgrace to your parents...and Sandy MacLeod the local farmer who had a grove of pear trees at his ancient farmhouse was allowed to shoot the local children who were already brave enough to risk having the seat of our keks being torn to bits by his dogs. There's more than a few times my mates and I ended up picking rocksalt out of our sore behinds fired from old MacLeod's blunderbuss as we were scrambling over his wall with a jumper full of pears
Different days
ED's white knights are equally delusional just in a different way.
The defense force after the immediate release of Odyssey, trying to defend things even devs said were broken really made me detach from that side of the community. Dead in the water.
The only thing that separates them from the sc faithful is they didn't have to pay hundreds or thousands for their ships so they are emotionally that attached without the sunk cost of big money transactions, which is more worrying in my opinion.
I know you're probably being a bit tongue-in-cheek here but I would not call it more worrying, not by a long shot. All whiteknighting/fanboyism is detrimental to the communities they claim to be part of but Star Citizen is something different, not just from the fanboys end but also from the company.
The fanboys see CIG as giving them an opportunity to prove their faith to their peers, to collect display tags that prove their devotion, to gain access to special forums for the truly appreciative consumer, take part in reward systems for hawking their goods to others and so on. It's pretty gross imo.
Fake news! I see no 30Ks!
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Fans and detractors of games you can find them everywhere, in every game. That is just par for the course. But I would say there are two major differences (among many others) between the two communities you describe there. In one of them the product was hyped up to kingdom come, stratospheric levels of hype in terms of quality, fidelity and leading edge tech. Record insane levels of (imo) very unhealthy hype that many backers have actually believed for years, and still believe. This leads to unrivalled emotional investment which you dont see in Elite (...Elite indeed ahd its ambitions but never pretended to be the Best Damned Space Sim Ever or be the saviour of the PC "master race"...). Secondly, the huge sunk cost involved for many of these players has very few comparison points in the industry (largest crowdfunded thing ever) which mean individual record levels of actual monetary investment. Some of those actually even leading to direct vested interests with speculation and profit through the grey market and other monetary venues, all but officially condoned by the devs. None of that is present in Elite either.
Anecdotal but hopefully revealing: Let me know when you get a Joe Blobbers in the Elite community. Or a Derek Smart, for that matter.
The above two factors, emotional hype and monetary investment, among several others, mean that in the case of SC the defenders and detractors stances are greatly exacerbated to several orders of magnitude higher than in Elite, or than in almost any other game for that matter. SC is indeed a very special and unique case of extremes. And in my opinion those extreme stances is something that CIG has carefully curated and proactively promoted in order to achieve their objectives in terms of market awareness.
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And, I thought my wanderings through the Monsanto radioactive waste dumps was exciting in the early 60's...I don't think it's the game itself that forms my views on Fortnite...but mainly because it's full of overly competitive and completely irritating squeakers, the same thing that made my gaming time on Xbox live feel like I was just an unpaid babysitter for other folks unruly brats. I'm just too old to be that tolerant any more...I got into gaming when I was already in my mid 20's and comparatively old by todays standards.... Back in the bronze age when I was an irritating squeaker, I was building and riding ancient Brit motorbikes dug out of my grandfather's byre...jailbait as the local copper Jimmy MacRae called me.
Back in those days though, when we got caught up to no good...MacRae the copper gave us the option of a kick in the backside or being taken home in disgrace to our parents...Our answer was always the same, "A kick in the backside please Mr MacRae."
Sandy MacLeod the local farmer who had a grove of pear trees at his ancient farmhouse was also allowed to shoot the local children who were already brave enough to risk having the seat of our keks being torn to bits by his dogs. There was more than a few times my mates and I ended up picking rocksalt out of our sore behinds, fired from old MacLeod's blunderbuss as we were scrambling over his wall with a jumper full of pears
Different days