Why we NEED the California sea lion

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I believe you, but I honestly never heard them in reference to Scandinavia outside this forum. I have seen Scandinavia much more associated with the Reindeer.
I thought so when I was living in Spain, but when I moved to Finland, I realised that the moose was super important here in the Nordic countries. Actually, you can find plenty of souvenirs based on the moose and just a few based on the reindeer.
 
But yeah i literally just googled "skandinavia icon" and in the first row this popped up.

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So yeah, not to discredit your opinion, but atleast the skandinavien themself belive that the moose is their icon, and i doubt they will give up about that in the near future.

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But yeah i literally just googled "skandinavia icon" and in the first row this popped up.

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So yeah, not to discredit your opinion, but atleast the skandinavien themself belive that the moose is their icon, and i doubt they will give up about that in the near future.

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Yea I learned something new. I think my bias comes from childhood media always featuring reindeers in connection to Scandinavia. And I love how amongst all the nordic stuff in the first picture there's a random oil barrel.
 
But again, moose live where there are actual zoos.

And even if we look at this more europe centric map, you can see that the moose is slowly crawling their way back. By now, they even made it to northern Germany and crossed over to the little red part in the Czech Republic. They are making there return, and live in tons of zoos. And that information isnt even hard to get by, just look at zootierliste, and its obvious.
So yeah, this is really not comparable to the monkey with the funny nose. 132 documented holdings in the EAZA alone is not uncommon in captivity, not in the slightest
Moose are more common in European zoos and parks than in North America, for sure, but chances are all those zoos are carrying the Eurasian elk subspecies--so if anything, you've made a better case for the moose (elk) fitting better in a European pack. The better North American deer would be the elk (wapiti), though if it's not an animal pack then my four picks would be the puma, alligator, sea lion, and beaver.
 
Honestly, if its about deer, i would want both the european fallow deer and the red deer before the moose. But hey they do barly edge out the euopean roe deer, so thats a win.

But thats not at all because i dislike them, they actually are in my top 30, but the other two are just more important to me personally, as they are more foundational picks then the moose. Moose can be great, and i would love if we get them with north america, but if you ask me in europe, i hope the other european deer call dips on that dlc slot first.
 
Moose are more common in European zoos and parks than in North America, for sure, but chances are all those zoos are carrying the Eurasian elk subspecies--so if anything, you've made a better case for the moose (elk) fitting better in a European pack. The better North American deer would be the elk (wapiti), though if it's not an animal pack then my four picks would be the puma, alligator, sea lion, and beaver.
It is still much more iconic to NA from an international perspective, and I think the red/fallow deer would fit better a european pack.
 
Honestly, if its about deer, i would want both the european fallow deer and the red deer before the moose. But hey they do barly edge out the euopean roe deer, so thats a win.

But thats not at all because i dislike them, they actually are in my top 30, but the other two are just more important to me personally, as they are more foundational picks then the moose. Moose can be great, and i would love if we get them with north america, but if you ask me in europe, i hope the other european deer call dips on that dlc slot first.
I had that in mind. Forcing the moose onto Europe limits the chances of fallow and/or red deer; forcing it on North America comes at the expense of other North American biodiversity that has a much larger zoo presence (e.g. prairie dogs, plus the American beaver which is both more common and more iconic than the Eurasian beaver).

Oh well, we'll find out on Tuesday.
 
No but honestly, the moose is in the middle of the deer tierlist.

In S tier we have the european fallow deer, one of the most common animals in captivity and a staple of both european zoos, petting zoos and zoos worldwide

In A tier we have the red deer, even more iconic to our culture and also VERY common in europe, with over 500 holdings of all subspecies combined

In B tier we have the chinese muntjac and the moose, the two most visually distinct deer species, while still very common in captivity

In C tier we have american Elk species and the Japanese Sika deer, both quite common and beautifull animals

And right down in F Tier we have the white tailed deer for somehow being the most boring looking deer. Just look at them. They are just brown, but in a lame way. They dont look imposing and majestic like the red deer, they arent docile and friendly like the fallow deer, they arnt widly kept in captivity around the world like the Wapiti and sika deer and they arnt as visually distinct as the moose, muntjac or pudu. Failed, see me after class, or better dont ever come to my class again.
 
No but honestly, the moose is in the middle of the deer tierlist.

In S tier we have the european fallow deer, one of the most common animals in captivity and a staple of both european zoos, petting zoos and zoos worldwide

In A tier we have the red deer, even more iconic to our culture and also VERY common in europe, with over 500 holdings of all subspecies combined

In B tier we have the chinese muntjac and the moose, the two most visually distinct deer species, while still very common in captivity

In C tier we have american Elk species and the Japanese Sika deer, both quite common and beautifull animals

And right down in F Tier we have the white tailed deer for somehow being the most boring looking deer. Just look at them. They are just brown, but in a lame way. They dont look imposing and majestic like the red deer, they arent docile and friendly like the fallow deer, they arnt widly kept in captivity around the world like the Wapiti and sika deer and they arnt as visually distinct as the moose, muntjac or pudu. Failed, see me after class, or better dont ever come to my class again.
I'm gonna be blasephemous and say that both the Axis deer and Tufted deer are above the Fallow deer in my list, though at the top I have the Persian fallow deer because that species is endangered.
 
Back to the topic at hand, I would be pretty sad if we never got the sea lion
But the California Sea Lion? I'd honestly rather have Steller Sea Lions, or the Galapagos Sea Lion.
Both the Northern Pacific and the Galapagos Islands need some love. Especially if Frontier won't give us Marine Iguanas, or Sea Otters. Which I honestly don't think either will occur.
 
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