So you are saying CIG consider the job done ?
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You need a game package to play SC...any ships purchased subsequent to that are added to your user account to use in game...released or otherwise. Your user account may contain more than one game package containing the digital download of SC and/or Sqn 42 depending on the package(s).... You can also purchase concepts of ships not yet flyable...jpegs of future intent by Ci¬G.
I have 2 game packages...one with a single ship which contains the basic SC digital download plus extras and one with several ships which contains the SC and Sqn 42 digital downloads plus more extras.
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It´s either a) or b) pretty much. Which one do you think is the right one?
Bwahaha.
In the past we could melt ships down, basically change a ship for another (with price difference either way). It was still part of the whole package.
Has that changed ?
Maybe no one is asking anything.
Wife had a very quick scan through, she really isn't interested, but she knows the product isn't released (well as I see it, she is only working from that), therefore she said ''interesting accounting'' with a smile, from a bonafide accountancy view no dividends until, at least, released and therefore a time period after that before dividends. There isn't any profit as such...
Seems they are running it more like a bank or financial institution.
It's certainly not released as intended from some years ago.
Has that changed ?
Maybe no one is asking anything.
Wife had a very quick scan through, she really isn't interested, but she knows the product isn't released (well as I see it, she is only working from that), therefore she said ''interesting accounting'' with a smile, from a bonafide accountancy view no dividends until, at least, released and therefore a time period after that before dividends. There isn't any profit as such...
Seems they are running it more like a bank or financial institution.
Put it this way.. Until questioned they'll get away with more or less anything. Especially if they are working with an associated (to the business) accountant. Which is what it looks like.
They're lining their own pockets...Star Citizen isn't about a space game... except superficially...as a business, it's become an online digital marketing venture...which is what the Calders bought into. It's not that hard to work it out. Too many people get stuck on the space game bit and can't seem to see the wood for the trees.
The only interesting part in the business model is CR...he actually thinks he's making a space game. The money folk behind Ci¬G are more than happy to pat him on the back and humour his dreams whilst the money keeps rolling in
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I was seriously unaware they had taken dividends. Not that I care I've been refunded, but wow, yeah what can you say.
Except.. how do I buy into the dark project at the back, and get some of these dividends myself.
Except.. how do I buy into the dark project at the back, and get some of these dividends myself.
Indeed. The "game" is what's out there already. The business is selling ships. Enjoy.Too many people get stuck on the space game bit and can't seem to see the wood for the trees
Not correct the game isn't out there. Not the finished game, which is what I bought into and why I refunded.
@Xink is right though...we as gamers or players are already playing the game as a live service, as is, with no guarantees that it'll ever reach a final released state at any point...Ci¬G as developers are continually making it but that's not the business. The business itself is an online marketing venture selling digital goods for profit.
Sqn 42 is a different story, there may well be a final released product at some point but if I'm generous, 90% of the copies that will ever be sold have already been bought and paid for by current backers as part of the whole Star Citizen package....it won't ever be selling millions of copies outside of what Ci¬G have already sold, certainly not enough to generate any significant revenue for Ci¬G as a company.
The live service game is where the money is at, it's also funding CR's pet project of Sqn 42 as long as it continues.
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Yes I fully understand why he uses certain statements 'akin to' very good.
If you consider the job done @Mole, good for you, even better for them and their dividends
The dividends thing, is quite shocking to be honest (seriously). But hey, if you can get away with it..
There isn't a profit to pay dividends on, that is simply fact in this case.
By his (CR) own statement, if correct, 'all proceeds go to furthering the project'. Dividends aren't furthering anything other than their income.
Interesting read .... Dividends seem a little premature to me, I guess they do indeed consider the game released.
Cant wait to see the filing for this year in a years time!
I think Chris is running it like a scam.
Huh, I have no experience in business, but I think that if CIG earns more than it spends, then it's making profits. Regardless the lack of promised product.
as Silicon Valley TV show said:
Chris Roberts: I call it 'pocket money'. Pockets the money and rides away on his yacht. "Backers will never know" (tm)
Until hearing of dividends payout, I was fully of the opinion it isn't/wasn't a scam.
Now I think at best, its border line, with a full and proper look at the accounts by a legal eagle, it may be something much worse. They have fallen into something not at all ethical or perhaps legal, probably through greed and the right accountant.
We humans are very fickle where money is concerned.
Honestly it really isn't good.
Phew glad I'm out.. Well I still have an Aurora, but I was in for quite some money at one point.
Now I think at best, its border line, with a full and proper look at the accounts by a legal eagle, it may be something much worse. They have fallen into something not at all ethical or perhaps legal, probably through greed and the right accountant.
We humans are very fickle where money is concerned.
Honestly it really isn't good.
Phew glad I'm out.. Well I still have an Aurora, but I was in for quite some money at one point.
You're being very kind to them.
I don't consider the job done by any means...but let's say I'm less concerned by how Ci¬G make their money than some are. Business is business and by that description, only of interest to business analysts or accountants in a professional sense. I play games as a hobby, occasionally discuss them on t'interweb among friends and my interest in the financial side of Ci¬G stops there. I'm not blind to it...I just don't really care that muchIf you consider the job done @Mole, good for you, even better for them and their dividends
The dividends thing, is quite shocking to be honest (seriously). But hey, if you can get away with it..
There isn't a profit to pay dividends on, that is simply fact in this case.
By his (CR) own statement, if correct, 'all proceeds go to furthering the project'. Dividends aren't furthering anything other than their income.
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The “money folk” behind CIG are primarily Chris Roberts and his good friend and business partner Ortwin Freyermuth. CR may also believe he’s making a game, but the pair have a long history of lining their own pockets with other people’s money. It’s just that they’ve skipped the middle (tax) manor the most part, and are now bilking people directly.The only interesting part in the business model is CR...he actually thinks he's making a space game. The money folk behind Ci¬G are more than happy to pat him on the back and humour his dreams whilst the money keeps rolling in