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How to finally finish the thargoids.
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Thwarptide
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Why else would there be a cannon against the swarm? It's time to make the ECM at least somewhat useful.
When I played Elite 1 it was called an energy bomb.
the guardians were not only beaten by the thargoids, they got murdered to extinction by their own weapons they built to beat the thargoids that then failed to beat the thargoids.
Yet somehow, we succeed via incorporating the technology we barely understand that the inventors had and lost with while using it. all the while being millions of years behind our shared enemy.
The lore doesn't match the observation of how thargoids have been implemented. Not even a little bit.
Yet somehow, we succeed via incorporating the technology we barely understand that the inventors had and lost with while using it. all the while being millions of years behind our shared enemy.
The lore doesn't match the observation of how thargoids have been implemented. Not even a little bit.
I must have misunderstood you because of the translation.
The guards tried to negotiate with the Targoids in the beginning and when they realised that this didn't bring understanding, they chased them out of their territories.
oh really? so we're interacting with guardians and not thargoids? or do you not know what winning and losing means?
hint: you dont win a war if you're dead and your opponent is not. They sacrificed themselves to drive the thargoids away temporarily...that's not winning. Not only did it only drive the thargoids away temporarily, but the thargoids appear to have also outlasted the machines that they created to defeat them. So a total failure on the guardians part.
i'm pretty sure they were fully killed by them. since the're no longer alive anywhere, their machines apparently dormant but still functional to some level.
You've got weird grasps on definitions of words. Winning.. partial.. these things dont mean what it appears you think they mean.
edit: here's how history would tell the story if the thargoids cared about telling anyone else about it.
We used our much more advanced intellect to test this new baby species. We initiated the test and then retreated back to not interfere. As many who had come before, it created weapons it could not handle and exterminated itself. Once the test was complete, we came in and disposed of their weapons so that they would not fall into the hands of any other newer races. such a shame.
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they sacrificed themselves to chase them out ...not defeat them. If you die in an attempt to accomplish your goal, and that accomplishment is only temporary and you die...you didn't accomplish your goal.
The fact is, guardians are gone. Their weapon to defeat the thargoids also gone. Thargoids ...still here and going strong. That's effectively two sentient species 0, thargoids 2.
if i make you kill yourself trying to push me out of your house ...and i'm fine just outside of your door. Then come back in when i want. Did you succeed? Or does it just look like i made you do all of the work of killing yourself and just hang back a bit?
Unless humanity is the guardian sentient machines race they built specifically to fight thargoids and we've just forgotten we're cylons over time and were never programmed to exterminate the thargoid species ..just push them away... and now that they're back our old programming is being triggered once again ... then the only way you can look at things is that the guardians were magnificent failures - way worse than humans at defending themselves...and they lost their war with the thargoids completely. Thargoids play the long game and won...by function of being alive and they're not.
Lol, you really are good with twisting words and meanings.
When Guardians were in contact with Thargoids, they gave Thargoids a bloody nose.
5/28 : Thargoid Log – Victory This log describes the end of the conflict between the Guardians and Thargoids. It appears the Thargoids entered Guardian space unprepared for a protracted military campaign, and after facing a relentless onslaught from the Guardians’ war machines they were forced to retreat. The log also mentions that the development of the Guardians’ war machines created a schism in their society, which may have seeded the civil war that occurred later in their history.
Guardians drifting later into a civil war that wiped away their civilization in parts of the galaxy we currently have access to doesn't mean that Thargoids won the war. Thargoids weren't involved in that slaugher.
Whether all Guardians were exterminated, or so called Exiles survived can be debated, as the Guardian History logs & Guardian Codex give contradicting evidence (unless the Codex omits the Exiles on purpose, being perhaps recorded by the remainers).
History 21: This data describes details about the Guardians second civil war. The war raged for over a hundred years, and Guardian populations fell dramatically during this time. Fertility rates dropped due to increased radiation levels and because the Guardians considered it blasphemous to use technology to address a biological issue. Eventually, one of the competing forces triumphed, but by that point, all the Guardians other than those who had been exiled a century earlier were dying.
10/28 : Civil War Log – Annihilation This log concerns the end of the second civil war. Remarkably, it seems the artificial intelligences developed during the conflict became fully self aware at some point, and were horrified by the destruction unfolding around them. It’s difficult to get a sense of exactly what happened next, as the Guardians were not privy to the Constructs’ thoughts. But reading between the lines, I believe the Constructs determined that even if peace was restored the Guardians would never be able to transcend their violent natures. I believe they decided that the only way to preclude further violence – while giving their own burgeoning society the best possible chance of survival – was to destroy what remained of the Guardians’ civilisation. By this time, the Constructs had complete control of the Guardians’ munitions and automated war machines. Their attack, when it came, was swift and merciless. Strategic nuclear and chemical-weapon strikes were executed with a precision that only a machine race could accomplish. The few that survived were able to record what had happened, but they soon succumbed to radiation poisoning. The Guardians were utterly destroyed.
10/28 : Civil War Log – Annihilation This log concerns the end of the second civil war. Remarkably, it seems the artificial intelligences developed during the conflict became fully self aware at some point, and were horrified by the destruction unfolding around them. It’s difficult to get a sense of exactly what happened next, as the Guardians were not privy to the Constructs’ thoughts. But reading between the lines, I believe the Constructs determined that even if peace was restored the Guardians would never be able to transcend their violent natures. I believe they decided that the only way to preclude further violence – while giving their own burgeoning society the best possible chance of survival – was to destroy what remained of the Guardians’ civilisation. By this time, the Constructs had complete control of the Guardians’ munitions and automated war machines. Their attack, when it came, was swift and merciless. Strategic nuclear and chemical-weapon strikes were executed with a precision that only a machine race could accomplish. The few that survived were able to record what had happened, but they soon succumbed to radiation poisoning. The Guardians were utterly destroyed.
@Darth Ender the guardian AI turned on them after the war with the thargoids was over. The thargoids actually don't inhabit any guardian space. It's possible the guardn AI will wake up and kill them if they do try to invade.
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By this logic the Roman empire lost every conflict they ever entered. Someone needs to revise the history books.
Depends, did they die off from an action they attempted to win a conflict and then have that opponent survive them ?
the logic is not that an opponent simply outlives you.. It's that you die off as a direct result of your efforts to try and win...and your opponent outliving you.
The second guardian civil war was a direct result of the creation of autonomous war machines needed by the guardians to fight the thargoids. These autonomous war machines gained sentience and then killed the guardians during their second civil war.
I see that as all 1 continuing conflict. The civil war was just a continuation of a cascade of events directly related to creating a weapon to defeat the thargoids.. That weapon defeated themselves. And while this civil war spanned a potentially known amount of time, we have little way of knowing just how much time between the pushing away of thargoids and the ultimate end of the guardians...only that the cause and effect are directly sequential.
obvious with posthumous logs...some subset of survivors must have existed for a time after the fall of the species to document it as such for us to find and read. But not in a quantity that has survived to this day apparently.
They did the equivalent of waving a grenade around ...scaring away their attacker.. only to hold on to the grenade as it exploded. Did they win ? maybe if you only look at a tiny time window and ignore that they had created a situation that would directly kill them to succeed.
Thwarptide
Banned
And where are our own AIs?
you know it'll be Riverdance.
