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Gradual reallocation over the years? That's not how I remember that, I remember they would go back and forth between the 2 games as their development priority. Remember the infamous Morrow Tour demo (I'm not even sure if that was the correct name now)? I'm pretty sure around that time CIG was supposedly all hands on deck toward Sqd42.
@Intrepid3D's description is more or less how I remember it too... I was there playing the game and roughly paying attention to the development circus the same as he was. Sqn 42 has always conveniently been used as an excuse when Ci¬G repeatedly failed to make deadlines for PU features...nothing new in that of course, but it's only really been since the Calders have appeared as investors (read into that what you will) that the idiot Roberts' vanity project has increasingly become the primary focus for more and more development resources at the cost of the PU (Star Citizen).
 
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Gradual reallocation over the years? That's not how I remember that, I remember they would go back and forth between the 2 games as their development priority. Remember the infamous Morrow Tour demo (I'm not even sure if that was the correct name now)? I'm pretty sure around that time CIG was supposedly all hands on deck toward Sqd42.

I think its more backers claiming they kept switching than them actually switching.

They did do some switching back and forth over the years. There was a time when they announced that resources from Manchester were being used on SC to speed things up there. Probably a time when they needed to show more for the PU to keep funding going.

But i think these changing priorities were made to look even more frequent than they actually were by backers saying "SQ42 is delayed because they are focused on SC" "No, wait, progress on SC is slow because they are focused on SQ42" due to whatever needed defending at the time.

So it was the white knights making CIG look less focused than they actually were.

My feeling is since the Calder investment they have slowly shifted more and more resources over to SQ42. I'm pretty certain now that investment came with some strings attached to the release of SQ42 and that deadlines have come and gone and its now all hands on deck to get SQ42 done otherwise some clause stipulated by Calder is going to kick in... may have already kicked in. 5 million paid to Calder in the 2020 FY. 5 million of backer's money, gone. 5 million that did not go towards development of the game (and of course, 2 million in dividends paid to shareholders).

But with CR now overseeing SQ42 more closely, the project is probably doomed.
 
Hah, well played CIG, you've just given SC_refunds another 100 subscriptions. That's a nice little spike.

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Spectrum still on fire despite the white knights trying to turn things around by posting fluff posts praising CIG. Mods appear to have moved some negative stuff to off-topic and can't be certain, but i think some have been removed.

Even so, front page is still full of criticism.


Funny one:



Ironically, what this does is highlight the genuine need for publishers and why they are beneficial to the actual customer even if their occasional meddling can be a bit tiresome.


 

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I hope this helps people sleep better (if anything because of the induced REM as you work from the top of the post to the bottom).

Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/smywsu/the_comparison_to_duke_nukem_forever/
I may have probably skipped somehthng key but he seems to be basically saying that all is well because "money". And yet the game development with the largest budget ever has been unable to deliver a single product in 10+ years while DNF actually did release a product.

The conclusion imo so far is not that SC is not like DNF because of the money, but rather precisely that SC is another DNF despite all the money (and which makes it even much worst).
 
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I keep hearing people (including SaltEMike in his video) suggest that the changes and announcement might be due to CIG being in financial trouble.

Prior to this I hadn't really given this much credence. I thought it was just hubris from CIG, blaming the backers, they've drank too much of their own kool aid, and thing that backers will keep giving them money no matter what they say or do (and history has tended to show this to be true).

I've thought things like, well, the funding tracker has to be at least broadly true, otherwise they would already be bankrupt. And CIG have been talking about expanding their business, new offices in Frankfurt and Manchester.

But now, i'm really starting to think this might all be a big smokescreen. CIG might be in full blown panic mode. Why did they talk about expanding their staff? Why did they have that article published aimed at the industry and investors, not the gamers, about the new office in Manchester? Could it be the financials aren't as good as they look? We know CIG has multiple companies in different countries, its possible to shuffle money around to make things look better than they are.

We know CR had to go cap in hand to Calder to get him to buy 10% of the company (and later another 4% was bought, which could have been a positive sign, that someone with board members was willing to invest more! But how much information was obscured from those board members? Were they hoodwinked?). CIG failed to notify backers about the sale/investment until after their big annual con. The sale took place before that. Were they worried about backer reactions?

What if... what if the puff piece about opening a new office, expanding the staffing, was really aimed at hyping up CIG as a growing company, one with a solid revenue stream, one worth investing in? Is CR casting around for new investors? Is he looking for another big cash injection? Is he ready to sell off another 10% or more of the company, the company backers paid to build, to another third party?

Is there something more to the choice of expanding in the UK rather than the US?

The more i think about this, the more i'm beginning to give credence to those who suggest CIG might be in financials dire straits. That all their recent actions have been designed to make CIG look good to investors, because CIG really need the money.

Just one problem, a really badly worded article blaming backers, that has generated a ton of negativity for CIG from backers, skeptics, and the gaming media. It would be impossible for any potential investors to ignore.

Did CIG just totally shoot themselves in the foot at a time when they were positioning themselves to look good to investors? They have shot themselves in the foot for sure, but how critical is it?

Or is all ok with the finances? That its just idle speculation?

If its really at the point that CR is looking for new investors, then either a) he will succeed, and we will eventually find out about it, when the file to make changes to the board of directors, which will be interesting to see how backers respond to CR selling more of the company (and how will Calder react to CR selling more of the company?) or b) they fail to get investors and CIG start downscaling and taking other actions that a company in financial trouble would take. And if this is the case, i suspect the end will come relatively quickly, because they don't have the reserves their financials would suggest, and backer confidence will quickly fade, leaving them running on gas.

If not, if all is good, then, some backers will leave, CIG will rope in new backers, and the cycle will continue, and we are in for another 10 years of alpha! And maybe i should cut back on the tinfoil!

Interesting times.
Who knows ?? I am sure it will all come out in the wash.
 
I doubt they are in Financial trouble, unless the Calders were pulling out or had insisted on milestone events to be met such as Sq42 release by a specific date.

They do need to tick off a release of SQ42 because that could be tied into KS and pre-order promises.

The real biggie is the UK Video Gaming Tax Credit which they have taken for years amounting to 4M GBP each year. I believe that is repayable if there is no end product and it has to be for a game primarily made in the UK. After 10 years with no end product, you have got to think questions will be asked about where that money went and a tax investigation could get very interesting.
 
I doubt they are in Financial trouble, unless the Calders were pulling out or had insisted on milestone events to be met such as Sq42 release by a specific date.

They do need to tick off a release of SQ42 because that could be tied into KS and pre-order promises.

The real biggie is the UK Video Gaming Tax Credit which they have taken for years amounting to 4M GBP each year. I believe that is repayable if there is no end product and it has to be for a game primarily made in the UK. After 10 years with no end product, you have got to think questions will be asked about where that money went and a tax investigation could get very interesting.

I don't think tax credits have to be paid back unless you are shown to have obtained them under false pretenses.

However, you bring up the possibility of milestone events imposed by Calder, and that is my suspicion. CR through he could deliver (and of course couldn't) when he took the investment and now penalties are being applied.
 
Is Squander42 still going to be episodic?

Only if it ever releases :D

But afaik, yes, they still plan 3 parts.

Part 1 was already paid for by a lot of early backers.

Part 2 was paid for by some very early backers

Nobody afaik ever paid for part 3.

Still hilarious that newer backers are paying for SQ42's development with no right to play it should it ever release :D
 
They go back on forth on "focus is on SQ404!", and "focus is on the playable now SC PU" every few years. It's nothing new.

Distracts backers from lack of progress until next time focus switches.

Ten more years! 🍻
 
what is moving to "exclusively" work on sq42 is the stuff under rich tyrer. now some of the recent stuff his team has done has been interesting/changed the game.

mainly local inventory (near certain that was under him) and the related looting mechanics. and the healing stuff is someone what interesting.

but most of the stuff his team has done has been pointless/doesnt really add anything.

pushing carts around, falling down if you are standing in a ship and it turns sharply, leaning into the wind, eating and drinking...

i dont really get any game play benefit to any of that and am not really gonna miss stuff his team does if there is no associated gameplay.
they gutted the roadmap because they always gut the roadmap.

Ok but still:
  • The "Core Gameplay" teams push out mainly tat
  • That tat will now come slower to the PU
Not ideal is it

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The 'Core Gameplay Pillar' is made up of these teams:



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They go back on forth on "focus is on SQ404!", and "focus is on the playable now SC PU" every few years. It's nothing new.

Distracts backers from lack of progress until next time focus switches.

Ten more years! 🍻
that's what I asked on the last 2 pages, it seem that even skeptics' memories here are fuzzy about it... which also on one shows how much of a mess the development has been.
 
that's what I asked on the last 2 pages, it seem that even skeptics' memories here are fuzzy about it... which also on one shows how much of a mess the development has been.
Focus has never been on Sq42, because up to now all of Sq42 work has been nullocks and none-existing. There is nothing to show. Because it doesn't exist. It's just been a convenient excuse to justify the non-deliveries.
 
Actually, anyone want to remind backers on Spectrum they are paying for the development of a game they won't be able to play unless they give even more money?

I have, Over and over again...

 
that's what I asked on the last 2 pages, it seem that even skeptics' memories here are fuzzy about it... which also on one shows how much of a mess the development has been.
What seems to be fuzzy is the guessing game of 'recollections' from certain folk who have mostly followed the development strictly from the sidelines. My memories on the development of the project from 2015 to present are pretty good, not always accurate by any means but usually on point or near to it. The narrative surrounding the development of SC is invariably tailored to suit whoever is talking about it...that includes mine. However...I don't have an agenda to either promote or decry SC nor do I tailor my posts to suit the particular viewpoint of whoever happens to read whatever they wish into them, in or out of context... I just try to tell it like it is. :rolleyes:
 
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