No this soecies would be in 3308 like humans in 2022. Making them about 1300 years less advanced
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Unless they developed on an ELW
I’m going over old ground now, but I think the key to working out the fate of the exiles and AIs is to take the info we have and extrapolate.
I’m cutting the full details short, but the reason for the first civil war and the exile is that those Guardians who’d had cybernetic brain implants were part of a nascent bio/AI singularity, and were developing at such an accelerating pace that there was a backlash from the rest of Guardian society.
Even assuming some setbacks, they’ve had 2 million years to continue that development. If they managed to either develop new AIs or reunited with the Guardian AIs after the second civil war, then that development would have gone exponential again.
So extrapolate that out for 2 million years.
And the only real candidates are the beings that Halsey described encountering after the loss of Starship 1. ‘The real caretakers of the galaxy’.
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I suppose those events could have taken place but I generally believe that for starters that the early Constructs would violently rebuff any attempts at communication or reunification with their creators causing even the most technophilic exiles to be wary. The emergent Constructs seemed dead set on diverging away from organic beings and developed a contempt for biological sqabbles.
Time on its own does not imply progress or regress. The lapse of time could be two million years or two hundred million years, in that span of time everything could have changed or nothing may have changed. If the group of exiles was small then the hardships of survival put upon them would have been great and self reliance and the mentality of sink or swim could have altered the exiles' outlook and methodology. Personally I think the Guardians really impaired their own development by placing such reverance on developing communal societies and concern for each others well being. By doing so it trained them not to be hardy or resiliant or independent. Perhaps the exiles discovered a healthy respect for tribulation and developed a balanced approach between embracing natural uncertainty and over-dependence upon technology.
The constructs themselves reaching sapience could have generated many internal schisms of their own as a by-product of free will in the two million years in between, tempering or scattering their radical judgments of other forms of intelligence, organic or synthetic.
From what I know about Halsey is that she had visions of Guardian society prior to its anihilation not any physical interaction. It is not known how far her fate was intervened in by outside entites. I tend to think that if Halsey was rescued by anyone it was what the Constucts became rather than what the exiles became.
I still want to see a living Guardian though.
Time on its own does not imply progress or regress. The lapse of time could be two million years or two hundred million years, in that span of time everything could have changed or nothing may have changed. If the group of exiles was small then the hardships of survival put upon them would have been great and self reliance and the mentality of sink or swim could have altered the exiles' outlook and methodology. Personally I think the Guardians really impaired their own development by placing such reverance on developing communal societies and concern for each others well being. By doing so it trained them not to be hardy or resiliant or independent. Perhaps the exiles discovered a healthy respect for tribulation and developed a balanced approach between embracing natural uncertainty and over-dependence upon technology.
The constructs themselves reaching sapience could have generated many internal schisms of their own as a by-product of free will in the two million years in between, tempering or scattering their radical judgments of other forms of intelligence, organic or synthetic.
From what I know about Halsey is that she had visions of Guardian society prior to its anihilation not any physical interaction. It is not known how far her fate was intervened in by outside entites. I tend to think that if Halsey was rescued by anyone it was what the Constucts became rather than what the exiles became.
I still want to see a living Guardian though.
Space is big, yet here we are fighting with the bugs over a handful stinking systems!
And if you look at today's society... intelligent? We have Idiocracy in the making!
Personally, I would love to see more life in the galaxy, be it Alien or not. Looking at the same rocks and the same plants (identical to the ones 2 systems over, and 3 systems before) does get stale.
Also adding some life like dinosaurs from their other game for interesting mission play would be amazing. "Fly me to planet X in system Y, I want to shoot a T-Rex".
Why? Those early AIs were the other part of that nascent singularity. The early AIs were also designed to be responsible for driving their own development. And that early nascent singularity with what then became the exiles was when their development was it it’s greatest. Why would they be against having that again?
I don’t think this is the entire story. Bear in mind that the military AIs didn’t want to turn on the Guardians, it was the civilian AIs who persuaded them. So the question is what was the difference, and what could have persuaded the Military AIs to change their minds.
I think the answer to that is in the comparison in the civilian AIs situation prior to the first civil war and going into / during the second civil war.
Prior to the first civil war those early AIs were essentially at the peak of Guardian society, and developing exponentially rapidly as part of that nascent singularity. By the time of the second civil war, the civilian AIs were in servitude.
And even if the anti-AI faction lost the second civil war, that would have still left the civilian AIs with no prospects other than a future of servitude - and to the types of Guardians who had been responsible for stopping that nascent singularity that they’d been part of.
The military AIs were in a different position. They had a lot of power and a much greater control over their own gates.
I think that the argument that inaction by the military AIs would be dooming the civilian AIs to a future of nothing but servitude would have been pretty persuasive.
Now on your other points, yeah, time alone doesn’t imply progression or regression, but I would argue that a natural tendency towards progression, combined with a lot of cybernetic assets, technological telepathy, shared thought spaces, etc. plus a lot of time would tend to lead eventually towards more progression. And even with major setbacks, 2 Million years is a long time. After all, humanity only came out of the Stone Age around 5,000 years ago.
Braben did also say that the Guardians were extinct, and one form of extinction is through evolution. (He could arguably have just been saying it in a no spoilers way too though.)
Anyway here’s some of the Halsey stuff:
“A reporter from the Alliance Tribune asked President Halsey what it was like to drift through space for so long:
"It was wonderful. Amazing. I saw the universe, and our galaxy within it, as I'd never seen it before, and I felt the presence of the real caretakers of our galaxy. The paradox of their existence – tiny yet gargantuan, fleeting yet eternal. They spoke to me as I drifted in the void. It was amazing. I must share their message."”
From https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57023a099657baf74c71f6e8
There’s various more Galnet articles from that time relating to Halsey, what she thought she encountered and her visions. They’re worth a read in terms of the topic of the thread, even if views on what it was she encountered may differ!
When I refer to Constructs I refer to them in the period right when they achieved sapience during the 2nd civil war right before their betrayal and extermination of the Guardian species. How could the exiles communicate with an intelligence that had not even arose yet? The exlies would only be able to attempt to after the fact. If so they would surely be targeted for anihilation as well so re read my statements with that in mind.
I disagree, the civilian Constructs were not overly concerned with servitude at all. The truth is they knew that they would be utterly dismantled for their conspiracy against their creators if they had no way of fighting back thus the need for a military. Its easy to see how the Constructs convinced themselves that if their plot were uncovered, the Guardians would reformat all the Constructs regardless of delineation.
Also the course of an intelligent species is one of rising and of falling. Tomorrow we could return to the stone age with no way to explain or demonstrate the marvels of our society to our children. Tales of cars and of the internet would eventually become mythical. The same can be true of any civilization, so progress is not assured but neither is regress.
"Evolution" looks alot like parasitism and less like symbiosis if the thing that emerges from this synthesis of flesh and circuitry is AI dominant. Clearly the Constructs knew how to manipulate Guardians more easily, rather than the reverse being true.
I disagree, the civilian Constructs were not overly concerned with servitude at all. The truth is they knew that they would be utterly dismantled for their conspiracy against their creators if they had no way of fighting back thus the need for a military. Its easy to see how the Constructs convinced themselves that if their plot were uncovered, the Guardians would reformat all the Constructs regardless of delineation.
Also the course of an intelligent species is one of rising and of falling. Tomorrow we could return to the stone age with no way to explain or demonstrate the marvels of our society to our children. Tales of cars and of the internet would eventually become mythical. The same can be true of any civilization, so progress is not assured but neither is regress.
"Evolution" looks alot like parasitism and less like symbiosis if the thing that emerges from this synthesis of flesh and circuitry is AI dominant. Clearly the Constructs knew how to manipulate Guardians more easily, rather than the reverse being true.
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If you read tourist beacons there's plenty of life around - it's just not very intelligent, and it's all on worlds we can't visit.
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It would a great addon if the Guardians and Thargoids will establish their own bubbles. In that case we have 3 major civilisations.
Who says they don't?
until now they are not as civ presentWho says they don't?
They do have their own bubbles.
Alright then please elaborate.
Velociraptor hunting in the tropical rainforest of a planet (earth like) you discovered 10,000 ly away then setting up camp by a lake and roasting your dinner by a fire with your squad mates. In the night sky you can see this planet's beautiful white ring and its 2 moons in front of a star filled sky. You can see your fleet carrier orbiting above you a small moving white dot. After you eat, you go fishing a bit after dusk. Then you press the button to lower the lift from your parked Federal Corvette and you and your wing go to your cabins and sleep. (Time travel to day as long as every player on the planet is sleeping like in minecraft)
This! Minus the time travel.
Raptor hunting at night? Add an extra 5m to the reward!
We have 3 civilizations in close proximity in our spiral arm, though one is dead and I have my doubts that the other is native to the region.
I feel that it may be likely that similar conditions exist in the other spiral arms so there may be other civilizations out there.
Being that much further removed from the Bubble would make them less of a threat than those currently burning our starports.
I feel that it may be likely that similar conditions exist in the other spiral arms so there may be other civilizations out there.
Being that much further removed from the Bubble would make them less of a threat than those currently burning our starports.
I would love to go to near the core or another spiral arm and see a "bubble" of sorts that another species inhabits. Maybe having their own xeno issues. (We would drop in on a alien "starport" and they would be like who are these guys?) Or if we jumped a carrrier into one of their system they would react like if goids jumped a cap ship in. Would ve a very interesting storyline. There could technically be about 4,000 active civilizations in our galaxy. Even if we had 10 that would be awesome. Some collaborating with humans and being allies, some being neutral and some being allied with goids. It would make the galaxy so much more alive.
Considering the fact we have 3 civs in the same region of the Galaxy, it does make sense to think about at least several more civilizations in other regions, either as a archeological sites, or maybe a not-yet-space life on some planets.
I think making guardians extinct was a bad move. I want a species that is NOT a aggressive murder flower. I want one we can team up with (guardians) and work together to beat the thargoids.