It's equally possible that it's not.
My predicted DLC concepts in chronological order for 2022
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They don't just live on the pyramid, they live on the actual island too which is rather tropical
Yes, they do. Black rats could kill again every insect on main island, so they cant be reintroduced yet.
Also island definitely isnt tropical, because it lies on temperate zone. There is simple definition what tropics are.
I'd really want to squeeze the mara into your South American pack somehow. Both an incredibly common zoo animal and a fairly unique one.
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Are Frontier's biome classifications really that scientific? Taiga is entirely subpolar and only in the Northern Hemisphere, and Frontier has it everywhere there is coniferous forests. There is a simple definition for what tropics are based on latitudes, but I would say classifying biomes is not simple considering there are at least 3-5 different scientific classifications
I'd say the climate is subtropical and could see Frontier putting them in Tropical Rainforest because its the best fitting one as Bearcat mentioned. I'd hope for a new exhibit layout rather than one of the ones in game. There isn't a subtropical biome in game, and I feel like Frontier dump those animals between Grassland and Tropical Rainforest as the in-game weather of Grassland more resembles Sub-tropical. (wet and dry season, no frost)
Anyway, it seems like Tropical is the next favored pack. I like that list, but I'd like to see Gibbon and Sloth this time around rather than two new world monkeys. I hope we can get Tree Kangaroo and a Tropical Asian deer.
I actually don't think the birds get a bigger pack. Why would that be? I consider it more likely that we will get an aviary pack before and a bird each time in the next packs. And what you say: that wouldn't be fair! Especially not when it costs as much as another pack.
If it was the reverse...and we only got 7 or 8 habitat animals for our entire zoo's it would be woefully insufficient and make your zoos look unrealistic still...
Same applies for birds. Every zoo has birds.
No zoo has...7 birds. I have 4 at my house. What pathetic zoo only has 7 or 8 birds???
The community has waited a few years they have been vocal, they want birds.
7 continents on earth. 7 birds in a pack...it would be a joke. One bird from Australia? One bird from Africa? If your African or Australian zoos are unrealistic because they lack Australian species, or African birds...one for each continent won't fix that. Our zoos will still look really unrealistic. And frontier will be pocketing our money for what...a dlc I've been begging for but is executed poorly?
Nobody wants a boring aviary pack lmao.
We want new mechanics. New animals. And more realistic zoos.
You want my money? Give me something in return...
I really, really want Aquariums and Aviaries in this game! But I don't want 4 fish species....I never bought JWE2 because it was terrible. Fans of this game recognize quality. In my opinion the dlc need work. And an aviary dlc better be something special or frontier will have wasted a massive opportunity to expand this games fanbase, and this games legacy.
This game has potential to be remembered for years!
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I think you could've voiced this more constructively but I agree with your overall sentiment. 7-8 birds only would be kind of a sick joke. The Aquatic pack was a lot different because we already had semi-aquatic animals, it just added a few more + a new dynamic for them.
A better comparison would be like if the game had launched with no exhibit animals and they released a dlc with only 8 of them. People wouldn't be very happy
Which "pathetic zoo" has only the giant otter and not the asian small clawed - and why wasn't it not in the Aquatic pack, together with the african penguins?
What "pathetic zoo" has not a single small monkey species or an south america section without a capybara?
Surprise, surprise, there are no complete packs. Additions can come later. And for average zoo visitors birds aren't nearly as attractive as mammals.
You're a bird fan, I understand you want a lot species. But it has absolutely nothing to do with realism in zoos. And believe me, when it comes to that, this game has a lot of other issues. For example the West African Lion rarely kept in captivity, Lemurs not living with only one male etc.
What "pathetic zoo" has not a single small monkey species or an south america section without a capybara?
Surprise, surprise, there are no complete packs. Additions can come later. And for average zoo visitors birds aren't nearly as attractive as mammals.
You're a bird fan, I understand you want a lot species. But it has absolutely nothing to do with realism in zoos. And believe me, when it comes to that, this game has a lot of other issues. For example the West African Lion rarely kept in captivity, Lemurs not living with only one male etc.
I understand your perspective. Birds are not at the forefront of most peoples wishlists?
(I am from North America and accredited aquariums and zoos are given CAZA OR AZA accredation.)
Basically, every CAZA and AZA accredited zoo. Every big or good zoo in North America you could say...has birds.
So being a fan of birds has nothing to do with it.
Every major big accredited zoo in USA and Canada has birds....therefore my in game zoo is pathetically unrealistic.
Pathetic - miserably inadequate; of very low standard
Don't take offense at the word pathetic.
That's exactly the word I am looking for. Having no aviary birds/fish is miserably inadequate or of very low standards for an accredited zoo in my continent.
Maybe other continents have lower standards? (No offense just using the english definition of pathetic)
What pathetic (low standard zoo) has only 7 birds? I've never heard of one. Especially since local pet stores carry more birds than this game does....not very realistic for a zoo. Since zoo's have more bird species than pet stores.
Not even my opinion. Just a fact. My small, local pet store has more bird species than the leading zoo simulation game. That's odd.
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The other "unrealistic" things I mentioned are also true for north american zoos. Realism is a really weak argument when we got several issues in that regard.
And again: The average zoo visitor is less interested in birds and often can't even differ (semantically) a flamingo from a pelican. I doubt the average PZ player is any different. And the narrative that birds will bring anyone back to the game that wasn't interested anymore will be proofen false as much as it was with the aquatic pack. An aviary is nothing more than a habitat with a "celing" and flying won't be any more attention grabbing than deep diving.
And again: The average zoo visitor is less interested in birds and often can't even differ (semantically) a flamingo from a pelican. I doubt the average PZ player is any different. And the narrative that birds will bring anyone back to the game that wasn't interested anymore will be proofen false as much as it was with the aquatic pack. An aviary is nothing more than a habitat with a "celing" and flying won't be any more attention grabbing than deep diving.
I've never heard of a major zoo that doesn't have birds. (Aviary birds)
I don't think you've been to one either because I keep asking you which one has that?
I've been to several zoos. Never seen a capyaba
so I guess several zoos dont have them but have south america sections just to prove your point wrong...but those zoos without capybaras all had birds still. Even most aquariums have birds.
I guess your points were
1) no small monkeys in PZ
They have capuchins....
2) Asian small clawed otters are more popular than Giant Otters in zoos.
...maybe asian small clawed otters are more popular in captivity. ALSO every good zoo has aviary birds. Two things can be true
3) what zoo has south american sections without Capybara?
Ive been to like maybe 10 or more major zoos and never seen a capybara. So I guess lots of zoos have south america sections and no capybara.
We disagree and that's okay
My definition of realistic zoo is one that looks like an American or Canadian zoo. Those almost always have birds. (And aquarium exhibits) Planet Zoo does not have those features and the zoo's don't look like realistic zoo's to me. You disagree.
I don't think you've been to one either because I keep asking you which one has that?
I've been to several zoos. Never seen a capyaba
so I guess several zoos dont have them but have south america sections just to prove your point wrong...but those zoos without capybaras all had birds still. Even most aquariums have birds.I guess your points were
1) no small monkeys in PZ
They have capuchins....
2) Asian small clawed otters are more popular than Giant Otters in zoos.
...maybe asian small clawed otters are more popular in captivity. ALSO every good zoo has aviary birds. Two things can be true
3) what zoo has south american sections without Capybara?
Ive been to like maybe 10 or more major zoos and never seen a capybara. So I guess lots of zoos have south america sections and no capybara.
We disagree and that's okay
My definition of realistic zoo is one that looks like an American or Canadian zoo. Those almost always have birds. (And aquarium exhibits) Planet Zoo does not have those features and the zoo's don't look like realistic zoo's to me. You disagree.
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I'm not sure I agree with that sentiment, but I definitely don't think most people would be unable to pick out the difference between a flamingo and a pelican
I'd like more habitat birds, but I honestly couldn't care less for aviaries.
Source for different atteactiveness in animal species: Wolfgang Salzert "Making zoos attractive". It's a book I can recommend and it also explains what species are more attractive to the average zoo visitors and why. A lot of it also comes down to interaction.
By the way, it also says what makes birds more interesting to visitors: Walk in aviaries. Because it increases interaction, that is usually very low with most birds.
And regarding pelican vs flamingo: I specifically said "semantic". Have the nerve to stay at one of those exhibits for 30 minutes and you will be surprised how many zoo visitors exclaim "Pelican!" at a Flamingo habitat and vice versa. It gets worse when it comes down to species that are less popular in picture books.
Most will revognize a macaw, only a few can name an Ibis or a Toucan.
I want aviaries if they can be done well (i.e. better than current JWE2 aviaries). The next best thing would be ramping up the number of habitat birds--let's say if the next pack is Asia, include both a golden pheasant and a red crowned crane.
Capybaras are very common in zoos, that's not up for debate.
Capybaras are very common in zoos, that's not up for debate.
AmyEvans
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Why would you riot for something like that?
There has only being one bird added to the game since the base game was release, that is after two plus years of dlc content. There is greater ratio of bird species in most zoos compared to mammals, yet the game currently has an inverted ration. It would only make sense that when we do finally receive an aviary pack the PZ team depart from the traditional packs we have been receiving. If this pack was to be release even closer to the official support ending then it would make even more sense for us to receive a bigger back, as the possibilities of receiving birds in future packs would be greatly reduced.Birds have too many individual groups within their ranks that even if just a single individual species is added to the game, it would be a nightmare keeping it at eight species. For example if you got a macaw, you might not get any parrots, if you received an eagle there might not be any owls, etc. I'm not only thinking about birds that would require additional mechanics to those already found in game, but a long list of birds that are very important to the game and behave just like any habitat animals. Birds like pelicans, secretary birds, ducks, egrets, storks, ibis, spoonbills, pheasants, quails and the list goes on.
There currently is no precedent to know what Frontier is thinking when it comes to this, because the only remotely similar situation took place in December 2020 (aquatic pack) what most people do not understand is that while they could have added a large number of species to that pack (the same as any other pack) this was not a full aquarium expansion not even close, it was just a few random semi aquatic species being added to the game. Most zoos might only have a few of those too.
AmyEvans
Banned
I think both of those scenarios will happen at the same time. The idea of the aviary pack was something just conjured by players, and it was players that started the rumors of a dedicated aviary pack that would neglect all manner of birds that do not fit that theme. This only highlights how special and important such a pack will be because birds are literally missed and needed in every area of the game.
Sure that it would be really nice to be able to built large netted aviaries with soaring colorful tropical birds, and listen to their incredible sounds, such a big part of the zoo experience. But it would be equally as important to have African birds that are often found in exhibits with large ungulates of mammals, secretary birds, grey crowned cranes, marabou storks, helmeted guinea fowl running around African grassland habitats, etc.
Something as basic and uniform as the pool areas of zoo entrances are currently deserts, only flamingoes are available to create these exhibits, and that is just ridiculous. We will need Pelicans, Ibis, ducks and many other species commonly found in these habitats.
In short I think there will be many variations of birds and mechanics associated with them in this pack.