Planet Zoo: Wetlands Animal Pack arriving 12 April

SpookDoc

SpookDoc
darthquell said:
Imma be honest, I don't want a leopard; I'm hoping the Tassie becomes the #1 animal, now that the capy is gonna be added
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Amur Leopard is a subspecies I’d be willing to bet money we’ll see in a DLC this year, and I can’t say I’m really looking forward to its inclusion. Yes, leopards are one of the classic “ABC” animals we all know. But its also going to move and behave exactly the same as every other big cat already in PZ. Additionally, the Amur Leopard in particular will occupy a niche that’s already filled by the Siberian Tiger and Snow Leopard. But people want what they want and I respect that.

Though I think the Wetlands pack has its flaws, I can also say I’m so glad to see some different taxonomic orders/families getting representation. For once, there were no large carnivorans in a DLC and I definitely see it as a welcomed change. Bring on the small mammals, birds, habitat reptiles, and habitat amphibians (and if we’re lucky an invertebrate or two, Coconut Crab as a habitat species would be so unique!)
 

raf8655

raf8655
Peythur said:
I don't get why people are thinking that the caiman will mean that there will never be an insert animal here. If you think it that way, all animals will cause other animals not to show up in game and that's weird logics for me. I remember a lot of people being sad about the lack of capybara, ASCO, platypus in other respective DLC's, but they still got added. Why wouldn't the other animals be added in a different DLC later?

Face the truth: not every animal can be added in this game: period. So personally I think life would be much more enjoyable if you just enjoy the animals being added and then go on with life till next DLC. In the end, when Frontier stops supporting, there will be mods and we'll have all animals possible anyway, right? Just enjoy, don't make life harder than it already is.
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I think this way: the spectacled caiman is not an ugly animal and as often happens it was done flawlessly by Frontier, today we had the screen. The problem is that there will be no infinite DLCs and since the DLCs have a very small number of animals (which I don't appreciate at all, I'm willing to pay more but there should be at least 15-20 animals per pack), putting an animal that is very similar to others that are already in the game is a mockery, an unfair thing for me. Come on, this is something everyone can see, and there is no need to defend Frontier, they have a great potential of human and economic resources, so already doing a DLC with 4-5 or 8 animals is absurd but even if insert some "clones" (and it's not the first time this happens, I think of the arctic wolf...) then I feel made fun of.

Is it normal that in 2022 there is still no flying bird on the roster of a zoo game, almost 3 years after its release? Come on, let's not fool ourselves...Among other things I don't like birds very much, except for some exceptions, but in my zoo game I want them and I have to insert them if I want to have fun, if I want to try to simulate reality, otherwise becomes an ordinary mobile game like there are many.

Mods for me are not valid alternatives, as much as they are valuable works they are not models made very well, you can see the difference. I have never used one, but if I understand correctly to insert in the game you must necessarily replace an original animal present in it, it is already this thing I do not like...
 

Bearcat9948

Bearcat9948
markun said:
I don’t get this at all. Firstly spoonbills and egrets are absolutely aviary birds. Technically we could make aviaries with the mesh pieces but let’s say that aviaries and aviary birds are not yet in the game. There are posts after posts exploring these possibilities but aviary birds remain that: a possibility.

A shoebill could be in an Africa animal pack, a birds pack, or any one of a number of other DLCs. We just don’t know.
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They can be kept the same was as cranes and flamingos so they are not "absolutely aviary birds". I don't think we're going to get an African Animals pack but you never know. IF we stick with biome packs it seems highly unlikely we'd see a shoebill.
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
The caiman model looks amazing. Unfortunately, that hardly changes my opinion of it since I assumed that would be the case.

As it stands, after the Wetlands Pack, I'm expecting between 15 (realistically, 4-7-4) and 21 (optimistically, 7-7-7) more habitat species before support ends (maybe +1 for the anniversary but even that is far from a given). I might be wrong, and would love to be wrong, but that's neither here nor there because either way there is a very finite number of animals still to come. As others have said, if we knew we'd end up getting dozens or even hundreds more animals, then I'd be all for including everything under the sun. But with the very real possibility that we've only got a handful left, every animal counts. I'm not really interested in "good enough" when there are absolutely more than 21 animals I would still explicitly like to see. I get that resources aren't infinite, and I get that they were probably trying to do a lower effort species and boost SA/CA's roster but I still just can't get behind this inclusion when there were better crocodilians, better clones, better South/Central American species they could've chosen.

All that said, I'll probably still use this caiman more than the Cuvier's, and I liked the Cuvier's. And I'm sure that 5 years down the line, if we aren't playing Planet Zoo 2 and worrying about its DLC, we'll have mostly forgotten about this whole ordeal. But for now, I'm not thrilled.
 

AlexSea

AlexSea
I think the Spectacled Caiman looks great. Frontier always does a good job texturing scales, and this time around it's no exception. It'll probably replace the Cuvier's as my preferred small habitat reptile species.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
The Spectacled Caiman looks great. I guess if you don't add much to the game you at least should be styling. :ROFLMAO:

Sorry if that was interpreted as any disrespect to the developers. It's not. All animals can't be winners and I said a few days back, it makes sense to have an animal or two that balances out the new rigs and what not that require so much work. I've accepted it, I'm fine with it, but I'm not going to pretend the Caiman is some kind of game changing addition.
 

markun

markun
Bearcat9948 said:
They can be kept the same was as cranes and flamingos so they are not "absolutely aviary birds". I don't think we're going to get an African Animals pack but you never know. IF we stick with biome packs it seems highly unlikely we'd see a shoebill.
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I have never, ever seen a captive spoonbill or an egret outside of an aviary. Do you have any examples of them being kept in open-top paddocks or on ponds like flamingos or cranes often are?
 

ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
random goat said:
@SalamAnders Well, a leopard isn't in my personal wishlist but it'd be a bit naive to omit how the leopard is much more iconic than the spectacled caiman.
Leaving that aside, because it's ultimately subjective, any of the leopard subspecies would add something more substantial than the caiman.
-Persian leopard: probably the most 'unique' choice as it'd add an animal from the Middle East, which is currently heavily underrepresented. Virtually any animal from this region automatically becomes a 'good' choice at this point.
-Amur leopard: a big cat sharing similar ecosystem and requirements with the Siberian tiger, but their appearance is not even close to one another.
-Any South Asia subspecies: a big semi-arboreal cat that shares appearance with the jaguar and partially ecosystem and requirements with the clouded leopard. However, it inhabits a completely different area from the former, and looks totally different from the latter.
-African leopard: same as above but change clouded leopard with lion. Also, it'd be the first semi-arboreal cat in the grassland biome.
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A neat summation of why my preference is the Persian…. Although they’re not on my personal top 25 Wishlist
 
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ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
Urufu1997 said:
What do you mean with puggle? Google ist only showing the Dog Breed
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A puggle is a baby echidna, also used sometimes for platypuses (‘platypup’ is somethings used instead. Personally I doubt they’ll be in the game - they’re very small at that stage and don’t go away from the burrow.
 

coatifan

coatifan
markun said:
I have never, ever seen a captive spoonbill or an egret outside of an aviary. Do you have any examples of them being kept in open-top paddocks or on ponds like flamingos or cranes often are?
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You make a good point and I think you're right but there may be one or two counter-examples.
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Oakland Zoo apparently keeps African Spoonbills in an open-topped exhibit, and I found a picture showing roseate spoonbills in an open-topped exhibit at Audubon in 2010 (however, knowing that the park is within their native range and that local waterbirds regularly invade the zoo's exhibits, this was likely a mistake).

However, this is just one credible example, and for all I know the birds are pinioned/clipped-- plus, in around 90% of cases, these birds are found in aviaries. You are correct that they might be hard to implement realistically without flight mechanics.
 

Bearcat9948

Bearcat9948
coatifan said:
You make a good point and I think you're right but there may be one or two counter-examples. View attachment 300166Oakland Zoo apparently keeps African Spoonbills in an open-topped exhibit, and I found a picture showing roseate spoonbills in an open-topped exhibit at Audubon in 2010 (however, knowing that the park is within their native range and that local waterbirds regularly invade the zoo's exhibits, this was likely a mistake).

However, this is just one credible example, and for all I know the birds are pinioned/clipped-- plus, in around 90% of cases, these birds are found in aviaries. You are correct that they might be hard to implement realistically without flight mechanics.
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They almost certainly are clipped, which is the same way most zoos keep their flamingos, cranes etc from flying away. So a spoonbill or an egret could be implemented the same way.
 

markun

markun
A spoonbill or egret might be able to be implemented this way but I maintain it is far from normal - certainly outside North America - and has significant welfare issues.

Flamingos can be kept intact in open top enclosures - Basel for example.

By the way it is increasingly unacceptable to pinion birds. I feel conflicted about cranes in the game without the ability to keep them in easily constructed aviaries. From a practical point of view they will be in a paddock in my new zoo but this is far from ideal.
 

ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
markun said:
A spoonbill or egret might be able to be implemented this way but I maintain it is far from normal - certainly outside North America - and has significant welfare issues.

Flamingos can be kept intact in open top enclosures - Basel for example.

By the way it is increasingly unacceptable to pinion birds. I feel conflicted about cranes in the game without the ability to keep them in easily constructed aviaries. From a practical point of view they will be in a paddock in my new zoo but this is far from ideal.
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I’ll just build an aviary from mesh - I’d much rather have birds in-game Than not, irrespective of whether the mechanics for flying have been worked out and birds require a covered habitat - at least for birds that don’t fly all that much. It’s not ideal but it’s better than no birds
 

markun

markun
I’m not a fan of Bioparc Valencia’s approach which seems to see animals as props in a diorama. I maintain that spoonbills should be, and fortunately overwhelming are, housed in aviaries.
 
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