Bulk Animal Groups

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Weird Title, i know, but what i want to talk about is the weird mindset i found regarding certain animal groups when i think about them.
Where its like, yes we defently need more, but i really couldnt care less about which specific ones besides a few exeptions.

The main two groups for me would be Ungulates and Primates.
Especally for the former one i have quite the opinion in general, but i noticed that i find it hard to be excited about new ungulates in the dlcs.
Its more like a, yes this is good, frontier you made a good decision, but im not sitting here looking forward to using this particular species and instead it feels like simply a nice or even great option for the next time i want to build a filler habitat in a region, theming or just random where it fits.

Im happy about each new ungulate we get, but i dont feel a rush using them.
And the game can be said now that q gibbon is in the game, the last truly exciting primate for me.
All other primates from this point will be very welcomed, but i really dont care which ones even though i got some clear favorites like the de brazas and rolloway monkey, the emperor tamarin and the sulawesi crested Macaque, but in the end i dont care what monkeys we get, aslong as they are monkeys, what tamarin aslong as its a tamarin.

These animal groups are something i could just blindly buy a bulk from, 5 new monkeys or 5 new ungulate, without looking at the species and be hapoy regardless, thats where the title of the thread comes from.

Ironically enough, they are in a huge contrast to carnivorans, where i want a bunch more, but much more specific species.
Im not sitting here saying i want more small cats in general, but i have a small pool of them that i prefer much more to the others, most notably the caracal and fishing cat.
Same for canines, i still want the maned wolf, red fox, maybe corsac fox and maybe red wolf, but most others i would be quite meh about.

While my criteria for ungulates and monkeys is simply that they exist in captivity, i have much more for any new carnivore and i doubt that its just because we allready have so many carnivorans, because i still want alot more, or that it is because we lack ungulates, because for the most part we dont or atleast i would still happily welcome african antelopes for example.

Its weird and i wanted to ask if im alone on this one and if their might be others where you dont care what we get aslong as we get some?

 

[biggest_dreamer]

I mostly agree with this with regard to primates. There’s a handful I specifically want (golden lion tamarin, Hamadryas baboon, lion tailed macaque) but beyond those I don’t really care which colobus we might get, or whether we get a Diana monkey or de Brazza’s or a red tailed guenon. My main concern is that we just need more, period. Like, way more. More than we would realistically be able to expect even if support does extend through 2023 and we got a new monkey in every pack, neither of which I expect to happen.

Ungulates I’m much more picky about, in part because they cover a much broader niche as far as their roles in zoos. I’d like the red river hog, and ideally one more pig on top of that (no strong preference between boar and peccary at that point). And then there’s a whole swath of African antelopes I’d still really like to see. I guess at minimum it could be reduced to either kudu or eland, duiker, addax, and impala but even that ends up compromising a lot. Those itches can’t be scratched by just any old antelope. For deer I’d love to see both Pere David’s as well as white-tailed, for basically opposite reasons. Red, axis, sika just won’t cut it. Mountain goat are more desirable than bighorn sheep, but the markhor is more desirable than either of those. Just a few examples, I guess.

 

[becks474]

For me this is not the case somehow. I have still very specific wishes in both animal groups. My number 1 and 2 wanted animals are ungulates with the Dik Dik and the Red River Hog. I would still wish both if we should get another pig like the Wild Boar or another small antelope like the Duiker or the Klipsringer. Further a Somali Wild Donkey, a Blackbuck and a Gerenuk would be nice. Then I have some further wishes which are less important to me but still are specific like the Giant Elend and the Greater Kudu. In case of deers I still would like to see a muntjac and a Red Deer.

In case of primates I have also more or less prefered species like a Hamadryas baboon, Howler Monkey, Golden Lion Tamarin, Spider Monkey or Golden Snub Nosed Monkey.

In case of cats I clearly prefer the Caracal, Serval and Ocelot in this order. In this case I am really mainstream but I would rather like to see seem than lesser known cat species.


Looking at dogs I have two species which would be nice to have in the game. The Maned Wolf and the Bush Dog. If we should get another species I have no real preferences, perhaps a jackal species.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Interesting to hear.
Ofcourse i also have preferences for ungulates, but its mostly that aslong their are 1-2 per region atleast, im fine, eventhough more are preferred.
I think the best example would be the Himalaya, because while my subjective ranking would be Domestic yak > Takin > Himalayan Thar, i would be fine with any one or two of them and would even be satisfied with one of them and any other alpine asian ungulate like the markhor or a serow.
Same for deer in general, while i in general prefer the red deer as a missing key species from europe, i would be fine with roe, chital, sika or pieres david deer, even an northamerican elk or any ther deer.
The only cervids with special treatment are the chinese muntjak, as its the last none swine ungulate i really really want, and the north american mule and white tailed deer for their lack in international collections, but since i learned that they are held in zoos and just simply not in any of the big ones im okay with them.

The only ungulate group excluded from this are the pigs, simply because i feel like the game would benefit immensly from the addition of a peccary, the wild boar, red river hog and a domestic breed to cover all of the niches.

 

[NachoB]

Oh, well honestly i do care what animals are added for each group moving forward, since there are still a bunch of specific animals i would like to see for the game before support ends

- Ungulates: blackbuck, greater kudu, gerenuk, musk ox, addax, black rhinoceros, impala, brazilian tapir, axis/chital deer, elk, dik-dik, duiker, gaur, sichuan takin, mountain goat, big horned sheep, collared peccary, red river hog, markhor, japanese serow
- Primates: black or red howler monkey, spider monkey, golden snub nosed monkey, mantled guereza, lion tailed macaque, gelada and hamadryas baboons, golden lion tamarin, emperor tamarin, white face saki, bald uakari, aye-aye, coquerel's sifaka, tarsier, slow loris, white cheeked gibbon, red shanked douc
- Carnivores: maned wolf, caracal, ocelot, serval, spectacled bear, sloth bear, pallas cat, sand cat, south american coati, african civet, striped hyena, owston's palm civet, sea otter, ratel, wolverine, red fox, bat eared fox, fossa, tasmanian devil (i know is a marsupial para is still carnivorous) and the aardwolf (insectivorous in its diet para a carnivore in its classification)

 

[Colehunter35]

For me this is not the case somehow. I have still very specific wishes in both animal groups. My number 1 and 2 wanted animals are ungulates with the Dik Dik and the Red River Hog. I would still wish both if we should get another pig like the Wild Boar or another small antelope like the Duiker or the Klipsringer. Further a Somali Wild Donkey, a Blackbuck and a Gerenuk would be nice. Then I have some further wishes which are less important to me but still are specific like the Giant Elend and the Greater Kudu. In case of deers I still would like to see a muntjac and a Red Deer.

In case of primates I have also more or less prefered species like a Hamadryas baboon, Howler Monkey, Golden Lion Tamarin, Spider Monkey or Golden Snub Nosed Monkey.

In case of cats I clearly prefer the Caracal, Serval and Ocelot in this order. In this case I am really mainstream but I would rather like to see seem than lesser known cat species.


Looking at dogs I have two species which would be nice to have in the game. The Maned Wolf and the Bush Dog. If we should get another species I have no real preferences, perhaps a jackal species.

You don't want to make your cat list until you consider the Asian Golden Cat!

 

[Colehunter35]

Oh, well honestly i do care what animals are added for each group moving forward, since there are still a bunch of specific animals i would like to see for the game before support ends

- Ungulates: blackbuck, greater kudu, gerenuk, musk ox, addax, black rhinoceros, impala, brazilian tapir, axis/chital deer, elk, dik-dik, duiker, gaur, sichuan takin, mountain goat, big horned sheep, collared peccary, red river hog, markhor, japanese serow
- Primates: black or red howler monkey, spider monkey, golden snub nosed monkey, mantled guereza, lion tailed macaque, gelada and hamadryas baboons, golden lion tamarin, emperor tamarin, white face saki, bald uakari, aye-aye, coquerel's sifaka, tarsier, slow loris, white cheeked gibbon, red shanked douc
- Carnivores: maned wolf, caracal, ocelot, serval, spectacled bear, sloth bear, pallas cat, sand cat, south american coati, african civet, striped hyena, owston's palm civet, sea otter, ratel, wolverine, red fox, bat eared fox, fossa, tasmanian devil (i know is a marsupial para is still carnivorous) and the aardwolf (insectivorous in its diet para a carnivore in its classification)

Carnivores still have a wide range of animals needed to be explored!

 

[NZFanatic]

the north american mule

Mules are domestic donkey/horse hybrids and usually infertile, so I don't think they'll add them to the game...

Personally I get excited by almost every ungulate added to the game. They're some of my favourite animals at the zoo. I still badly want the addax and blackbuck above all others, though, and the Tibetan yak would be nice, too.

I've said many times that I'd gladly pay double price for a pack of just small monkeys.

Carnivores, too. There are a bunch I still want (Sumatran tiger, serval, raccoon dog).

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Mules are domestic donkey/horse hybrids and usually infertile, so I don't think they'll add them to the game...

Personally I get excited by almost every ungulate added to the game. They're some of my favourite animals at the zoo. I still badly want the addax and blackbuck above all others, though, and the Tibetan yak would be nice, too.

I've said many times that I'd gladly pay double price for a pack of just small monkeys.

Carnivores, too. There are a bunch I still want (Sumatran tiger, serval, raccoon dog).

I meant the mule deer

 

[Colehunter35]

Mules are domestic donkey/horse hybrids and usually infertile, so I don't think they'll add them to the game...

Personally I get excited by almost every ungulate added to the game. They're some of my favourite animals at the zoo. I still badly want the addax and blackbuck above all others, though, and the Tibetan yak would be nice, too.

I've said many times that I'd gladly pay double price for a pack of just small monkeys.

Carnivores, too. There are a bunch I still want (Sumatran tiger, serval, raccoon dog).

don't forget asian golden cat for carnivores!

 

[NZFanatic]

I meant the mule deer

Ah that makes more sense! Good call.

don't forget asian golden cat for carnivores!

They aren't really high on my list, but I wouldn't say no.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

The golden cat is a perfect example of an animal im selective against.
7 eaza holdings across all subspecies while being a very generic, boring species without anything unique, while much more interesting and unique species (the diving fishing cat, the much more unique build of the pallas cat, smaller size of the sand cat and the jumps, range and biome coverage of the caracal) exist in asia.
Its a complete why species, as i look at it and think why you, why should you be in the game over any of these much more suized animals?
Meanwhile i look at for example the Damas Gazelle and go "not my first choice,but sure why not, its cool"

 

[ElectricMonk]

Many of my most wanted animals are groups rather than particular species or even genera - some of them I’d still get excited for though. Each of these has some species, genera or families I’d prefer, but I honestly just want the niches filled:

Old world monkeys
New world monkeys
Birds
Marsupials

I would be excited to get just about any animal from any of these groups.

 

[Colehunter35]

The golden cat is a perfect example of an animal im selective against.
7 eaza holdings across all subspecies while being a very generic, boring species without anything unique, while much more interesting and unique species (the diving fishing cat, the much more unique build of the pallas cat, smaller size of the sand cat and the jumps, range and biome coverage of the caracal) exist in asia.
Its a complete why species, as i look at it and think why you, why should you be in the game over any of these much more suized animals?
Meanwhile i look at for example the Damas Gazelle and go "not my first choice,but sure why not, its cool"

The asian golden cat is fairly small and would most likely require a new rig. It also has a beautiful pelt unlike any other cats currently in the game. If you would rather have a bay cat tho...

 

[NachoB]

The asian golden cat is fairly small and would most likely require a new rig. It also has a beautiful pelt unlike any other cats currently in the game. If you would rather have a bay cat tho...
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Isn't that a Bornean bay cat though?

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Like what ever you want, im not here to tell you what animals to like, but from a more critical or picky point of view, theres no reason to include the golden cat over the fishing cat.
They have a similar range, about the same size with the fishing cat being slightly bigger, the fishing cat has more conservation value as a vulnerable species, can dive to set itself apart and 48 holdings compared to 7 in the EAZA.
I dont know if they are much more common in zoos outside of the EAZA, but id say that there are enough arguments to choose the fishing cat over the golden cat in pretty much every context for the game.
This thread was literally made because im much more picky with carnivores then most other animals and this is a great example, thank you for that

 

[becks474]

I say also everyone can like whatever species he or she wants. But to be honest in case of cats the most likely cats we could get in future DLCs are the Caracal, the Serval and the Ocelot and if we are lucky the Pallas Cat as an even smaller cat. These are the most known cats which are currently not in the game and the most wanted according to the wishlist. Every other cat species, be it the Fishing Cat, the Asian Golden Cat or the Jaguarundi, would be a surprise pick.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Tbh, the only reason i have doubts in the fishing cats inclusion is that they are from SEA, which is simply overrepresented allready in a good way.
While i dint mind more animals from there, especally the caracal and ocelot just feel infinetly more likly, as south america is activly lacking in animals and the caracal simply lives everywhere from south africa to india, which would be a huge boost to so many different areas.
Which is a good thing imo, while the fishing cat would be sweet, those 2 would be much better for the game in general, so while i individually prefer the fishing cat, id be very happy to get these two instead

 

[NachoB]

If the fishing cat comes with at least an enrichment item to match it's behaviour i'll be happy to get it lol

But yeah the ocelot and the caracal are the only ones i really want.

 

[Colehunter35]

Isn't that a Bornean bay cat though?

yea i said if you want a bay cat