Horizons and Base Game 4.0 first impressions
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I have license to them all, so couldn't violate anything in this regard, with this account, even if I tried.
FDev isn't likely to comment, just as they haven't for countless other interpretations that could prohibit benign use of their product. Their hands off approach causes all sorts of problems, but it also allows for workarounds that address problems they cannot be bothered to.
If my interpretation of the EULA was as legalistic as yours appears to be, I likely wouldn't be able to play the game at all, because it wouldn't even work on the systems I use most often.
And if Frontier's enforcement of their EULA was as draconian as it would need to be for them to care, most of us would have been banned long ago.
Half the people on this forum seem to use automated tools to scrape data for third party sites and navigation aids. Many use scripts to automate various functions. Others access settings not available through the menus. Plenty play on unsupported operating systems or alter effects that require manipulation of API binaries, altering the game on a much more fundamental level. Quite a few monetize their gameplay via streams or recordings. All of these things are against strict interpretations of the EULA and all of these things are ignored or condoned to varying degrees by Frontier. But you think playing a version of the game I paid for, with client software I have license to, is where FDev will draw the line?
I'm not suggesting it was your claim.
I'm just advertising caution until FDev comes out with a statement on this matter (for example as in: manipulating the parameters in the game launcher is NOT breaching the EULA)
Regarding automation, that's another clear state of grey area.
Officially they're not supporting nor tolerating any form of automation. Yet they support voice attack which allows creation of complex macros like requesting docking computer, for which we dont even have a bind key.
Then again, lots of people have carriers doing runs to various parts of the galaxy (doing automated/scripted jumps) even tho FDev clearly stated such automation is not permitted.
Not even the PIP macros are permitted, even tho they're probably used by the majority of PVP-er and they can be easily noticed in PVP videos
Anyway, Most of the things that FDev forbids, require someone logging a formal report against the offender.
So you can basically do whatever you want, until someone reports you
That's fine, I'm accepting it as a gift.
I purchased 2 copies of Odyssey and gave it a honest try, I prefer Horizons 3.8 for multiple reasons.
Better Performance, better lighting, prefer old planet tech, prefer old UI
Can’t do VR when doing leg stuff so there is nothing in Odyssey for me, because I play 100% in VR
Funny thing is that Horizons 4.0 seems to be exact same product physically as Odyssey.
I have Odyssey on my main account, which means there are 2 separate subfolders installed under the Elite Dangerous\Products folder.
First one is elite-dangerous-64 (which is Horizons 3.8), second one is elite-dangerous-odyssey-64, which is (obviously) Odyssey. There's no separate (third) installation folder for Horizons 4.0 anywhere on my SSD.
But I have another, Horizons-only account. When I log in the launcher using this second account and start Horizons 4.0, the game will use files from the Odyssey installation, not the Horizons one. The game will play the title video from the elite-dangerous-odyssey-64/Movies folder and I'll even have the EDHM (hud mod) I had set up for Odyssey, not the other one I use for Horizons 3.8.
I wonder whether those who have Horizons only had to install the full Odyssey with the latest update, or just parts of it as Odyssey Lite.
Gets installed when they choose Horizons 4.0 in the launcher and click install.I wonder whether those who have Horizons only had to install the full Odyssey with the latest update, or just parts of it as Odyssey Lite.
Yeah but how large is it? Same as Ody or smaller?
I wonder whether those who have Horizons only had to install the full Odyssey with the latest update, or just parts of it as Odyssey Lite.
seems to be full odyssey with the required limitations that diferentiate Odyssey from non-odyssey (no on-foot npc, no disembark, hangar doors leading to elevators are being shut, no tenuous atmtosphere planets landable, etc)
same size as Ody, same install as Ody
for example: i downloaded horizons 4.0 for my migrated-xb-account. 50gb
Then, when i found out that EDO is 45% discounted on Frontier Store, i purchased it.
Then my launcher removed the Horizons 4.0 line and replaced it with Odyssey (simple as that, no extra download)
I see, so it must be the entire Odyssey byte-for-byte, since the limitations are tied to the account itself, so it's basically a server-side thing.
It is.
I have an old screenshot from the alpha last year when Odyssey, due to some bug or glitch, was showing the internals panel exactly as it does now in base game mode, with the holo-me and engineer buttons greyed out and saying "REQUIRES HORIZONS".
So this feature isn't new, it was planned from the start, as client 4.0 was supposed to completely replace client 3.8 on all platforms, including consoles, regardless of Odyssey ownership.
Thank god they couldn't make it work on consoles, or we probably wouldn't have H3.8 today.
For the time being that's a moot point.
They planned to release odyssey on consoles too...
So the current state of affairs, until further notice, is this:
- odyssey users have access to odyssey 4.0, horizons 3.8 and base game 3.8
- horizons only users have access to horizons 3.8, base game 3.8 and have been gifted horizons 4.0 as a stepping stone to odyssey 4.0
Odyssey people claiming they have the right to run horizons 4.0 are as valid as they claiming they have the right to run horizons 2.1
We have the right to run whatever Frontier is allowing us to run through their launcher, based on the option the launcher retrieves from our Frontier accounts
Now if you want to prove that you can run horizons 4.0, you can... but to me it looks as smart as the dude that stuck a beluga in the mail slot at Jameson to prove you can cheat in Elite
So I bought the base game, then I bought Horizons, then I bought Odyssey.
Therefore I should have the right to play the 'current' version of each of those products ?
FDev ( like almost all software houses ) update their products with fixes and distribute those fixes to their customers that own the product.
So I can argue that I have not received the current update for Horizons ( a product I bought and paid for ), there was no condition placed on buying Odyssey that would prevent me from getting updates to Horizons. But here we are, with FDev failing to deliver to me the update to Horizons.
This is deigning me the ability to play the game I purchased with my friends that also own a copy of Horizons for any new content, even though we are all suppose to be able to get that content now.
So if anyone if breaching terms I'd say it's FDev.
This is not a technical problem - it's management mistakenly thinking it will 'force' more people to buy Odyssey.
Instancing in Elite has always been an issue, I once spend 30mins just trying to get two of my accounts ( both Horizons ) into the same instance, even though both where in the same private group. now we have:
XBox 3.8
Playstation 3.8
PC 3.8 Horizons ( have the ability to play both 3.8 and 4.0 )
PC 4.0 Horizons ( have the ability to play both 3.8 and 4.0 )
PC 4.0 Odyssey ( have the ability still play Horizons 3.8 but NOT 4.0 )
Well done FDev, you've managed to make the player base even more fragmented and confused! - After the terrible release of Odyssey ( still a massive disappointment to me ) I wondered how FDev could annoy and frustrate their players more, then they announced cancelling consoles, then they announced the promised cross-play with Odyssey and Horizons was not going to happen and the merge of the codes bases was also postponed. Now we have this. FDev management seem totally inept. Just when think Fdev can't get any worse, they do.
Therefore I should have the right to play the 'current' version of each of those products ?
FDev ( like almost all software houses ) update their products with fixes and distribute those fixes to their customers that own the product.
So I can argue that I have not received the current update for Horizons ( a product I bought and paid for ), there was no condition placed on buying Odyssey that would prevent me from getting updates to Horizons. But here we are, with FDev failing to deliver to me the update to Horizons.
This is deigning me the ability to play the game I purchased with my friends that also own a copy of Horizons for any new content, even though we are all suppose to be able to get that content now.
So if anyone if breaching terms I'd say it's FDev.
This is not a technical problem - it's management mistakenly thinking it will 'force' more people to buy Odyssey.
Instancing in Elite has always been an issue, I once spend 30mins just trying to get two of my accounts ( both Horizons ) into the same instance, even though both where in the same private group. now we have:
XBox 3.8
Playstation 3.8
PC 3.8 Horizons ( have the ability to play both 3.8 and 4.0 )
PC 4.0 Horizons ( have the ability to play both 3.8 and 4.0 )
PC 4.0 Odyssey ( have the ability still play Horizons 3.8 but NOT 4.0 )
Well done FDev, you've managed to make the player base even more fragmented and confused! - After the terrible release of Odyssey ( still a massive disappointment to me ) I wondered how FDev could annoy and frustrate their players more, then they announced cancelling consoles, then they announced the promised cross-play with Odyssey and Horizons was not going to happen and the merge of the codes bases was also postponed. Now we have this. FDev management seem totally inept. Just when think Fdev can't get any worse, they do.
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Precisely, with the mention that their current version of Horizons appears to be 3.8 (at least for now) and you can play that.
Odyssey ppl have the full code of Horizons 4.0 installed on their PCs, but no one has Horizons 2.1 code anymore.
And ofc they have the right to launch their game in Horizons 4.0 mode if they wish, otherwise that command line option simply would not work.
The real issue is that the idea of starting the game in that mode would never even have crossed the mind of any of them, were it not for the utterly stupid instancing split between Odyssey and Odyssey Lite.
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I do wonder if originally, back when Frontier declared that Odyssey would have the same system requirements as 3.8, the plan was to build on the 3.8 codebase rather than reinvent the wheel (and planets and lighting and UI and textures and...). I can't see how they could have made such a claim otherwise, but then for some reason they decided to change everything, and here we are today.
I sure do hope that someday someone writes a book about the behind-the-scenes development of Elite Dangerous, because it would be an absolutely fascinating read.
Yea, but the argument seems to be: but i payed for it.
And some people did pay for 2.0 or 2.1 (i payed for 3.2 version
- why i cannot acces it anymore?)Now they cannot play it anymore.
