Marsupials at the same rank as small cats seems a bit skewed.
Analysing the current Roster and Meta-wishlist (habitat animals)
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They are slowly filling up oceania. Tbh i think the emu, wallaby, tassie devil and kiwi are pretty much all the essential ones missing from that region. I would love a tree kangaroo but i don't count it as essential.
On the other hand my poor poor SA continent is getting no attention at all
I mean the capybara and the caiman were welcomes additions but our fauna is still so underrepresented
On the other hand my poor poor SA continent is getting no attention at all
I mean the capybara and the caiman were welcomes additions but our fauna is still so underrepresented
He dared to laugh at ME and my choice of the gray fox. How dare you, @Nicholas LionRider. You are now dead to me
haha well he does have a point even if his tone was a bit too pedantic at times. I mean people are free to wish for whatever animals they want but a lot of people wish for very niche and particular species that let's be honest are not objectively ESSENTIAL for the game as a whole.
Edit: btw i love the grey fox more than the red fox so i'm with you on that one lol
Edit: btw i love the grey fox more than the red fox so i'm with you on that one lol
A CLUB MEMBER!!!!
They are so cute
You boo him, but he's right. We seriously don't need any other canine except maybe the maned wolfHe dared to laugh at ME and my choice of the gray fox. How dare you, @Nicholas LionRider. You are now dead to me
Which goes back to me saying that the Arctic fox was not my favorite choice I'm the NAAP, and how the gray fox should've been there instead.
But it doesn't matter, the wishlist wasn't meant to show essential species anyways. I don't think that was the purpose of it, it was designed to just put together the most popular species
Arctic fox > any other canine in existence
I disagree. See, the Arctic and red are very similar. Meanwhile, there is not canine like the gray fox, with it's unique capabilities to climb up and down trees, maneuver the branches, and their natural silver coat with bronze markings.
The gray fox is the best canine, hands down, no contest
Yeah i think it was just for people to select their most wanted animals. I still think it has value though. I mean a lot of people voted for sloths, tasmanian devil, emu and maned wolf regardless of context.
But i do agree with what is said in the video that context and the point the games is at when people cast their votes has relevance.
Out of trully essential animals i think is down to some basic types of animals (sloths, armadillos, porcupines, small cats, new world monkeys, baboons, pigs and peccaries, BIRDS) and some particular species (tasmanian devil, emu, maned wolf, dromedary camel, nile crocodile, black rhino, red deer) and that's pretty much it. Everything else is welcome but not trully "essential" at this point.
But i do agree with what is said in the video that context and the point the games is at when people cast their votes has relevance.
Out of trully essential animals i think is down to some basic types of animals (sloths, armadillos, porcupines, small cats, new world monkeys, baboons, pigs and peccaries, BIRDS) and some particular species (tasmanian devil, emu, maned wolf, dromedary camel, nile crocodile, black rhino, red deer) and that's pretty much it. Everything else is welcome but not trully "essential" at this point.
I don’t know if it was intended to show most popular species or (as the title implies) essential species. Either way, I agree that, in practice, it has become a ‘most wanted’ list rather than a ‘ most essential’ list. IMO @Nicholas LionRider makes the same mistake in his suggestions. For example, i think the Tasmanian Devil is the most popular Australian animal to be added but it's hard to see how it's the most essential (assuming that essential means something like how necessary they are in order to make a realistic region-specific section or zoo set in a particular region). From that POV, whilst the devil is essential for me (since my main zoo is set in Tasmania), as far as Australian sections of zoos or zoos set in Australia in general, I'd consider Emus, Bennett's or Red-necked wallabies (and/or another cold-climate macropod) and yellow-footed rock wallabies as more essential since they're all FAR more common in captivity, both in Australia and around the world. ATM its virtually impossible to create a realistic Australian section at all (even after the VERY welcome addition of the wombat), and that would still be the case even after the addition of the Devil since other, much more commonly displayed animals would still be missing.
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I'll agree it's definitely more of a most wanted list rather than a most essential list. My most wanted list looks very different from my list of "animals essential to completing my local zoo" and those two lists are going to vary wildly based on a person's personal preference and geographic location.
I think that the meta wishlist is still useful, albeit, the unclear rules on birds, the fact that many people would likely change their votes based ln closely related species which did end up in the game, and the way some categories of animals (small primates for example) end up getting split up across species are known issues. Randomgoat has done a great job and I would be pleased with any animal in the top 150 making their way in.
All that said, emus and wallabies should be higher up than tassies, but I'm mot going to complain at any of them and I'm hoping to get tree kangaroos, quolls, kiwis and black swans as well.
eta. I just finished actually watching the video and that guy's opinions are wild. Since when are kiwis aviary birds???
I think that the meta wishlist is still useful, albeit, the unclear rules on birds, the fact that many people would likely change their votes based ln closely related species which did end up in the game, and the way some categories of animals (small primates for example) end up getting split up across species are known issues. Randomgoat has done a great job and I would be pleased with any animal in the top 150 making their way in.
All that said, emus and wallabies should be higher up than tassies, but I'm mot going to complain at any of them and I'm hoping to get tree kangaroos, quolls, kiwis and black swans as well.
eta. I just finished actually watching the video and that guy's opinions are wild. Since when are kiwis aviary birds???
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Yeah,... not sure what was going on there.
Kiwi are usually kept in nocturnal houses or even specialised kiwi houses though, so I don't see why they'd need other birds for their inclusion to be justified (can't say I've heard of them being kept in "bird houses"). They stand alone as well as any small nocturnal mammal does.
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Its unfair to criticise the wishlist for being a popularity contest.
Its the meta WISHlist, so people wishes for what zhey would like to see regardless of what is actually needed in the game from an objective standpoint, but it never tried to be that.
Also its not hard to figure out the few actually needed members thenself right?
No not really, because needed will be different for each player.
For me as a central european player, wild boar are essential to every smaller zoo.
Meanwhile the same an american player can say about the white tailed deer or an australian about the greater bilby.
Now we could say that the wild boar and the bilby are much more unique then the white tailed deer, but that doesnt make the deer less needed for someone who wants to build a small north american zoo, does it?
And ofcourse while they could just use a different deer, theres nothing wrong with wanting the exact species in the game.
Its the meta WISHlist, so people wishes for what zhey would like to see regardless of what is actually needed in the game from an objective standpoint, but it never tried to be that.
Also its not hard to figure out the few actually needed members thenself right?
No not really, because needed will be different for each player.
For me as a central european player, wild boar are essential to every smaller zoo.
Meanwhile the same an american player can say about the white tailed deer or an australian about the greater bilby.
Now we could say that the wild boar and the bilby are much more unique then the white tailed deer, but that doesnt make the deer less needed for someone who wants to build a small north american zoo, does it?
And ofcourse while they could just use a different deer, theres nothing wrong with wanting the exact species in the game.
Yes that´s me, that deer is so common in mexico, in zoos and in the wild, for me is important animal zoo and is different to the fallow deer
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Yeah, but why is the kiwi any less deserving of a spot than cranes, flamingos, ostriches, or cassowarys. Were they all "wasted?" - why do we need a dedicated bird pack to make them worthwhile? IMO, they'd be more of a waste there, since that kind of pack should concentrate on flying birds, not flightless birds, assuming a flying mechanic were added (all the other birds he lists are flying birds). Why is it less deserving of a spot than any of the similar sized mammals we already have? I'm not sure what a 'bird house' is (as opposed to an aviary) - I've only ever seen Kiwi in nocturnal houses specifically designed for them and Cassawary out in normal habitats.... In any case, The kiwi certainly (IMO) deserves at least consideration for a slot in any 'essential' list, since it is essential for anyone building a zoo set in New Zealand or any zoo with a New Zealand area of any sort. In comparison, I'd say that almost none of the animals on Lion's list are essential (though I want them all, which kind’ve underlines the difference) - sloth would be great, but SA monkeys are (IMO) much more essential to a SA area. Maned wolf is great, and i'd love it, but its not essential for any particular build or area, Red river hog and porcupine great but aren’t exactly 'essential'? ... Maybe the hog for congo-themed areas? . Devil I discussed above (there’s at least 3 more ‘essential’ Australia animals). Tree kangaroo, fossa and dromedary I’d agree with, since they’re necessary for building zoos or themed areas for their regions. Overall, I think that Lion has just provided a list of things he wants (there are no birds because, for whatever reason, he doesn’t like birds) - not “the will of the people” and certainly not a list of “essential” animals.
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