Waiting for "Elite Dangerous - The Movie"

I think the narrative direction of the game changed somewhere. The line that kicked the game off was "Hengist Duval is dead". It's a weighty line filled with potential. Succession, succession wars, pretenders, the possible overturning of the long stable situation with the Federation. Instead what we got was a damp squib and the galaxy turned over to PMFs. 🤷‍♂️
Can't agree more. I think that one reason may be that players want(ed) to have more influence in terms of "seeing the results of their actions" but that leads to that damp squib because how could a game studio allow one single PMF to control vast parts of the inhabited galaxy. The consequence would be not only an outcry of players not belonging to that PMF but also it may block planned narratives.

Since many years, the political struggle in ED is only white noise. It is there but it does not lead to any changes which lead to a major change in the bubble. There would have been a couple of good occasions (the Titan in the Sol system and Winters' inauguration being the most recent ones) to massively reshape the face of the political system but in the end it stayed the same.
 
Can't agree more. I think that one reason may be that players want(ed) to have more influence in terms of "seeing the results of their actions" but that leads to that damp squib because how could a game studio allow one single PMF to control vast parts of the inhabited galaxy. The consequence would be not only an outcry of players not belonging to that PMF but also it may block planned narratives.

Since many years, the political struggle in ED is only white noise. It is there but it does not lead to any changes which lead to a major change in the bubble. There would have been a couple of good occasions (the Titan in the Sol system and Winters' inauguration being the most recent ones) to massively reshape the face of the political system but in the end it stayed the same.
I think it was really down to FD seeing how much work it requires to keep ED going with a dev led narrative. At the start you had novels, The Grand Plot[tm] but as time went on you then had PMFs, Powerplay overlap and they kind of got in each others way. Even now CGs are stepping on PPs toes, but you can see the move now where FD want self contained 'loose Lego' where its the players doing the building.
 
I think the narrative direction of the game changed somewhere. The line that kicked the game off was "Hengist Duval is dead". It's a weighty line filled with potential. Succession, succession wars, pretenders, the possible overturning of the long stable situation with the Federation. Instead what we got was a damp squib and the galaxy turned over to PMFs. 🤷‍♂️
I think their original plot plans had three major flaws.

1) The usual problem with their massive optimism over how long things would take to develop in terms of game features at best completely wrecking pacing and in some cases likely requiring a complete change of direction.

2) They seemed to want to tell a "space illuminati" conspiracy story, but because of the nature of the game, then set it from the perspective of the average resident for whom the entire existence of the conspiracy is way above their pay grade. So you get some stuff around the Imperial succession and the destruction of Starship One, with vague hints that the killers weren't just lone terrorists, but without any plausible way to reveal any of what's really going on later on. And they massively overestimated the proportion of players who'd notice or care. "Oh, there's a giant shadowy conspiracy, is there? Do they do anything we'd notice? No? Okay, back to hauling, then. I'm sure this furthers their non-specifically sinister plans in some way which will never be revealed but I can't be bothered to care about that."

3) It's an in-game story so it needs to incorporate player activity at least at some level, or what you actually want to do is publish a non-interactive book for people to read because that's way easier (right, Olav?). But player activity (aggregated, especially) either doesn't go anywhere narratively interesting, or if it does, goes somewhere inconvenient for telling any "managed" story. The Empire captured the Federal permit system of Beta Hydri very early in the original Powerplay ... and there was nothing Frontier could usefully do from there: responding to it starts a hot war they didn't have the technology to deliver at the time; ignoring it is also obviously silly.

By the time they'd figured all that out it was far too late to start over.
(Though the NMLA storyline in 2020-2021 did avoid all of that to tell a workable story - with a conspiracy and threats to the Emperor! - within the scope of Elite Dangerous)

Even now CGs are stepping on PPs toes, but you can see the move now where FD want self contained 'loose Lego' where its the players doing the building.
Yes. I can see potential outcomes where CGs and such are used to "stir the pot" if the temperature in Powerplay gets too cold and people get too used to stable borders.

But they'd need to firstly have the default temperature of Powerplay be high enough to have nitrogen evaporate.
 
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No to a movie, I doubt there'd be enough interest to finance it, and I'd prefer a series.

It would be relatively easy to make something 'Expanse' like given all the lore. Maybe use the first novella The Dark Wheel as the inspirational jumping off point for the first season and growing from there into the political intrigue. With the return of the Thargoids being the 'big bad' that brings everything together in the later seasons.

You'd need Amazon or Netflix to really go for it though.

Something more realistic might be a mini-series akin to Love Death and Robots. Where each episode tells a different story. The 3rd book Stories of Life on the Frontier, could serve well as the inspiration here.
 
Sure. But almost all new things fail, that's how it goes. Getting to be popular eventually (and getting a few series before then) is still a lot more success than most sci-fi had in the 60s.

(Doctor Who probably has a few years prior claim to "sci fi planet of the week story", as a similar low-budget success-on-its-own-terms where the big setting backdrop got made up a lot later)
I would have picked early Lost in Space for the planet of the week originator as I think they were single episode stories ending in a takeoff to somewhere else, Doctor Who originally was more 6-8 episode stories broadcast one per week with maybe 3-4 stories in a season.
 
Every movie needs a hype-poster!

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I think it was really down to FD seeing how much work it requires to keep ED going with a dev led narrative. At the start you had novels, The Grand Plot[tm] but as time went on you then had PMFs, Powerplay overlap and they kind of got in each others way.

Fdev should release a couple of officially licensed comics about ED. Because fans want to see more of this universe such as background info, locations, planets, artwork, Powerplay leaders and important events.

Every movie needs a hype-poster!

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Disney killed Han Solo and the original Indiana Jones, so Harrison Ford could star in an ED movie or series. I'd put "Elite" above the title, because that's the franchise name, Elite Dangerous is just 1 game in the series. Or maybe 'Elite Dangerous' to emphasize that its during the era of Elite Dangerous.
 
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You could do anything with the setting. Firefly style low-lifes getting by in a corpo-dystopia. Political space opera. War story. Good old bug hunt. Outpost comedy.
Something more realistic might be a mini-series akin to Love Death and Robots.
Maybe we could start with them getting a slot in the next Secret Level. After all it's supposed to be for iconic games. :sneaky:
 
Disney killed Han Solo and the original Indiana Jones, so Harrison Ford could star in an ED movie or series. I'd put "Elite" above the title, because that's the franchise name, Elite Dangerous is just 1 game in the series. Or maybe 'Elite Dangerous' to emphasize that its during the era of Elite Dangerous.
Good point! Okay here we go with a different 'younger' cast! It won't do "Elite" at the top because of copyright. I swear, lawyers are the worst!

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And yes 80's kids, that's ALF as the shadowy evil figure in the background. Turns out, he's king of the Thargoids 🤣
 
Aliens? Have you seen aliens in E: D? The last aliens I remember were the felines and lobsters in Elite 1. I've only seen their ships and drones.
You don't get it, do you? You mean Elite?
Well, Elite has one of the best representations of aliens. And it's not taken from somewhere else, it's their own. Thargoids are not some pathetic semblance of aliens as we are shown in all sorts of games and movies like Alien or Star Trek.

Although for me the classic representation of aliens is something similar to the novel “Gods themselves” by Asimov.
 
You could do anything with the setting. Firefly style low-lifes getting by in a corpo-dystopia. Political space opera. War story. Good old bug hunt. Outpost comedy.

I guess, if only because Elite Dangerous is just so damn generic when it comes to sci-fi themes and it's setting. I hate to say that because as far as a space-sim it's second to none imo. But to make a movie out of it.. Where's the characters we can identify with? What struggle seems compelling to someone who doesn't play the game?

I mean my god, we handed like the most fleshed out sci-fi franchise ever to the biggest movie studio on Earth....and they still f'ed it up! Star Wars. How do you screw up Star Wars!!!??? If modern film making can massacre Star Wars, what hope does Elite have?
 
Thargoids are not some pathetic semblance of aliens as we are shown in all sorts of games and movies like Alien or Star Trek.

Hey now I have to defend my boy Star Trek. The Klingon race is one of the best most fleshed-out alien species that's ever been depicted in sci-fi. The Original Series movies and Star Trek: The Next Generation goes into great details about their culture, their religious beliefs, their personal struggles and motivations. Their political system, the various factions and houses. I mean these are more than actors with makeup on their faces. They even came up with a literal ENTIRE Klingon language and it's legitimate and unique with translations for all human languages.

Thargoids....pull me out of hyperspace for no reason and go about their merry way with no interaction or explanation. Bah!
 
I guess, if only because Elite Dangerous is just so damn generic when it comes to sci-fi themes and it's setting. I hate to say that because as far as a space-sim it's second to none imo. But to make a movie out of it.. Where's the characters we can identify with? What struggle seems compelling to someone who doesn't play the game?
You don't think you can identify with low-lifes getting by in a corpo-dystopia? Are you an oligarch? :p
 
I guess, if only because Elite Dangerous is just so damn generic when it comes to sci-fi themes and it's setting. I hate to say that because as far as a space-sim it's second to none imo. But to make a movie out of it.. Where's the characters we can identify with? What struggle seems compelling to someone who doesn't play the game?

The Thargoids and ships are distinct. I can identify with pilots and the Powerplay leaders are interesting. The alien movies would be generic if it weren't for the Alien creatures. No anti-gravity is uncommon in scifi. Maybe focus on the Raxxla stuff. So ED can be distinct enough.

I mean my god, we handed like the most fleshed out sci-fi franchise ever to the biggest movie studio on Earth....and they still f'ed it up! Star Wars. How do you screw up Star Wars!!!??? If modern film making can massacre Star Wars, what hope does Elite have?

Star Wars was mismanaged and sabotaged on purpose. Multiple directors for the sequel trilogy without 1 cohesive story. Kathleen Kennedy hated Luke Skywalker and replaced him with Rey Palpatine (played by British actress Daisy Ridley). She hired a group of writers who were not Star Wars fans, rather activists who bashed and threw away the established lore.

Kathleen Kennedy also hated Indiana Jones so he was tarnished in The Dial of Destiny (2023). She wanted to replace him with the unlikeable Helena Shaw (another British actress Phoebe Waller-Bridge). See the pattern.
 
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Hey now I have to defend my boy Star Trek. The Klingon race is one of the best most fleshed-out alien species that's ever been depicted in sci-fi. The Original Series movies and Star Trek: The Next Generation goes into great details about their culture, their religious beliefs, their personal struggles and motivations. Their political system, the various factions and houses. I mean these are more than actors with makeup on their faces. They even came up with a literal ENTIRE Klingon language and it's legitimate and unique with translations for all human languages.
Klingons? Is it a pathetic resemblance of what extraterrestrial intelligence should look like? Uh-huh. They're almost humanoid.
Thargoids....pull me out of hyperspace for no reason and go about their merry way with no interaction or explanation. Bah!
What do you mean? I was walking to work today and accidentally crushed a cockroach on the road, you want him to get some kind of explanation from me? That's weird.
 
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