1.7 vs Upgrading to Horizons - A few small questions

CMDR CJ Fortuna

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Hi,

I'm considering purchasing the Horizons update as I now feel I'm missing out on a lot of the more important missions and story elements which are coming through from Frontier. I have a few concerns, mainly due to posts I've read regarding ships being ripped to shreds by Engineered NPCs which as far as I can tell aren't present in 1.7.

So a few questions:

1. Can Horizons be disabled / can you still load up the game as 1.7 once you've gone down the Horizons route? Or is it a case of once you've jumped in the deep end you're in the deep end and can't go back?

2. Are the NPCs really that much worse or is it just forum chatter?

Thanks,

CJF
 

Bortas

Bortas
CMDR CJ Fortuna said:
I'm considering purchasing the Horizons update as I now feel I'm missing out on a lot of the more important missions and story elements which are coming through from Frontier. I have a few concerns, mainly due to posts I've read regarding ships being ripped to shreds by Engineered NPCs which as far as I can tell aren't present in 1.7.
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Engineered NPCs no longer exist.

1. Can Horizons be disabled / can you still load up the game as 1.7 once you've gone down the Horizons route? Or is it a case of once you've jumped in the deep end you're in the deep end and can't go back?
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You can always launch the game without horizons, even when you have that installed.

2. Are the NPCs really that much worse or is it just forum chatter?
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They are exactly the same as without horizons.
 
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philngraves

philngraves
Honestly I don't have a clue as to the nature of the game as you are seeing it. I didn't think they would have kept the npc's pre-patched for 1.7, but perhaps its an isolated server. As to the engineering, it's reached a good point now and the npc's shouldn't be any more OP then yours. The biggest issue is people not understanding that the enemies you face vary based on your combat rank. Engineering is just a way to micro-customize your ships loadout and as a time and resource sink to keep you grinding and give us all somthing to do.
As to reverting, I suppose its possible to simply delete and redownload core, although you would most likely have to reset your account.
Personally, I say go for it. Planetary landing is quite fun and the engineering is worth the update just to get that jump range increase, imho.
Whatever you choose, best of luck,
-PhilNGraves
 

Codger

Codger
Bortas is correct.

I will add that the game is easier and more fun with engineered ships. Going without Horizons is actually a significant disadvantage.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
No, bortas is incorrect. Deadly/Elite npcs have mods. The NPCs are the same, so if you can handlethem now you'll be fine. Better even, as you'll get to mods ships too!
 
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Shadowdancer

Shadowdancer
philngraves said:
As to reverting, I suppose its possible to simply delete and redownload core, although you would most likely have to reset your account.
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It's the same account and you can switch at will without downloading or installing anything. Some parts of the game will become locked off which may lead to weird moments.

The "overpowered engineered NPCs" thing was a bug that has been fixed a long time ago, but people keep interpreting unicorns into everything unexpected they see.
 

Bortas

Bortas
sleutelbos said:
No, bortas is incorrect. Deadly/Elite npcs have mods. The NPCs are the same, so if you can handlethem now you'll be fine. Better even, as you'll get to mods ships too!
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They must be modded very slightly then... never noticed, although, being Elite, I'm gettimg interdicted by Elite NPCs exclusively. Actually wouldn't mind them to be a bit more challanging. I was under the impression they were removed completely because players were complaining about exactly that ;)

edit: It was also stated by FDEV here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/257892-NPC-AI-Engineers-and-Bi-Weave-shields?

Zac Antonaci said:
"The first change is that we will be removing almost all Engineers upgrades from the NPCs in game. There are a very few select upgrades that will remain for coding reasons but they will be low level and not combat specific upgrades."
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There's no exception mentioned for deadly or elite NPCs.
 
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OfftheRails

OfftheRails
CMDR CJ Fortuna said:
1. Can Horizons be disabled / can you still load up the game as 1.7 once you've gone down the Horizons route? Or is it a case of once you've jumped in the deep end you're in the deep end and can't go back?
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Easy as.
 

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Bortas said:
They must be modded very slightly then... never noticed, although, being Elite, I'm gettimg interdicted by Elite NPCs exclusively. Actually wouldn't mind them to be a bit more challanging. I was under the impression they were removed completely because players were complaining about exactly that ;)

edit: It was also stated by FDEV here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/257892-NPC-AI-Engineers-and-Bi-Weave-shields?



There's no exception mentioned for deadly or elite NPCs.
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I believe that they have been added since then, but I may be wrong.
 

PiLhEaD

PiLhEaD
I'd strongly recommend getting Horizons.

Landing on planets suddenly made all the planets more tangible, for me at least, even the ones I still can't land on suddenly feel more real, and zooming around a planet surface in an SRV is an absolute hoot!

So even ignoring engineers (these are a lot more fun than originally imho), I'd say that Horizons is well worth the extra spend.

Hope you have fun!
 
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Thetele

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Horizon and 1.7 are 100% same game. If you play 1.7 you just can't land on planets, engineer your ship or do planet side missions or access fighters (I think fighters is horizon only thing?) and srv. Other vise its same game.

So first question is kind of yes and no. You can launch 1.7 version but that will just disable ability to landing on planets, nothing else will change. So there is no going back as you are already there, when frontier release patch everyone is forced to new version you can't play the game with out updating to new patch, those who don't have horizon just are left out of most new stuff or can't access it in anyway.

NPC are the same npc you currently fight against as npc only scale based on your combat rank/ship you fly and system you are in. SO you will face same npc in 1.7 and in 2.2 but in 2.2 you can have your ships engineered so they are better than stock 1.7 ships in every possible way, so difficulty level is same between 1.7 and 2.2 but in 2.2 you can make yourself so OP that nothing can harm you.
 

JetsonRING

JetsonRING
Once you install Horizons it shows up in the game launcher as Elite Dangerous - Horizons but the original Elite Dangerous still shows in the launcher's game list right alongside CQC and the beta, if you have access to that. You can play any of them but once you have installed Horizons, you will probably play just that as Horizons is just Elite Dangerous Plus.
 
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