2.1 generated very little interest on Steam. Player numbers still in the dirt.

Soliluna

Soliluna
freedom4556 said:
I personally hope to show the widespread dissatisfaction (or at least disinterest) with the game's current direction..
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Current direction? The direction that was always preached about in the kickstarter?

Honestly, you say this without even appreciating that the same damned threads appear for EVERY game on Every game's forums. It's not just tiresome, it' so banal and asinine and infuriates peoples sensibilities.
 

CaptainKremmen

CaptainKremmen
freedom4556 said:
No, they don't. The Steam charts linked in the OP (which constitute a statistically significant sample of the player population), show a significant (-50%) decline in average players since Dec 15, and a gain of only +14% since Apr 16. Engineers failed to replicate the player uptick from Horizons, and was arguably more on-par with the previous patches. We're also down year-on-year by 27.5%, again in terms of Steam player averages. This strongly suggests player loss is exceeding new player acquisition and player reacquisition.

Now, selection biases in the Steam population, as well as shenanigans with Horizons being first listed separately on Steam, then de-listed and made a DLC will have had an effect on the numbers.

Frontier are likely already very aware of this, and their internal metrics are going to be far better than these. However, OP and I are just wanting to point out trends that can be observed from publically available numbers.
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Did you expect this revision...

2.0 -> 2.1

...to replicate the player uptick of this revision...

1.5 -> 2.0


If so, why?
 

GarbrielAngelos

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CaptainKremmen said:
Did you expect this revision...

2.0 -> 2.1

...to replicate the player uptick of this revision...

1.5 -> 2.0


If so, why?
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Also if people spent less time pointlessly trying to show trends with sub par amounts of info (especially when FD would have access to the info anyway) and more time showing constructive ways to improve the game, this forum might be less of a cesspit, and we might actually better improvements
 

Lucifer Hate

Lucifer Hate
Cosmo Bozo said:
Self proclaimed experts have been heralding the demise of this game for at least 18 months now.

Usually there is a ray of hope though, it can be saved by adding their feature.
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Never before has it been so many of its diehard fans that always defend it, or the big youtubers/streamers that have promoted it so much being the ones saying it
 

COOPER TTE

COOPER TTE
I'm a heavy Steam user (800+ games) but I only launch ED from Frontier, never took a Steam key.

Here's why I don't think Steam charts represent ED usage very closely, ill pick my words carefully...

A large proportion of Steam users buy-and-forget. If they don't immediately like a game, they will park it, short or long term, or ditch it. (You only need to read the Steam forums!) They are fickle, because they have a great deal of choice. And there is a mentality of buying and stacking, because of the huge available market and Steam Sale culture (think I've played even half of those 800 games?)

A large proportion of dedicated ED players will have found and will play the game from the FD launcher, no need to use Steam or don't want / have it. As a more focussed set of buyers with only this game to choose from the launcher, they are more likely to be more dedicated to the game.

This is not to devalue the views or behaviours of Steam users, but to say that they may not represent anything near the majority, so ticks and trends on Steam maybe nothing like representative of the overall player base.

Popular Community Goals regularly garner more than 5000 participants yet you can see from these very forums that by no means do all players take part. Many dislike the concept, or are busy exploring, role playing etc.

So, in the absence of factual data from FD and therefore in my opinion - no, I'm not worried about EDs lifecycle right now.

So much more to come!
 
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Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
People should stop trying to tie player numbers with how FD will handle specific feedback. We don't how FD measure success and what actual numbers tell them. Less players is obvious, but what more obvious is more that lot of players never fully leave ED - leave and come back for more.

So while no one is stopped to speculate about potential demise of ED, same time it is a bit pointless, because FD knows stats and we really don't.
 

Bigglesof206

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Pecisk said:
People should stop trying to tie player numbers with how FD will handle specific feedback. We don't how FD measure success and what actual numbers tell them. Less players is obvious, but what more obvious is more that lot of players never fully leave ED - leave and come back for more.

So while no one is stopped to speculate about potential demise of ED, same time it is a bit pointless, because FD knows stats and we really don't.
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Strangely I am in broad agreement here - whilst I think somebody, somewhere, ought to be worried about the player number trend seen in the Steam chart, it goes without saying that FD must have access to the full data on player numbers, the average length of time they retain a player, and so forth. and it doesn't ultimately serve any great purpose to analyse things overmuch as a player, as we have damn all control of anything other than whether we log in or not.

The thread had a purpose, bringing the chart info to the forum, the health of the game is of course going to concern the players, but once the first round of forum combat has died down almost everyone will have chosen a side to battle for and continuing the discussion becomes fairly pointless.

Some of us view the steam chart as a bit worrying, I personally think it does show a degree of disappointment with 2.1, but if others choose to ignore what I think is fairly evident, then it's not my business to keep banging on about it.

Dave
 

bitstorm

bitstorm
Oh God 17 pages, on Steam stats, for a game where most people don;t play through Steam. :(


COOPER TTE said:
Here's why I don't think Steam charts represent ED usage very closely, ill pick my words carefully...
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Nevermind that to participate in Horizons beta you couldn't do it through Steam.

Meaning at beta time a whole bunch of users were FORCED OUT of Steam, why the chuff would they go back?

By sheer coincidence the Steam stats drop, and that's never mentioned by the starters of these threads because it doesn't suit their ridiculous "the game is dying" agenda.

As usual arguing around "facts" which aren't really facts.
 
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PavelKCZ

PavelKCZ
bitstorm said:
Oh God 17 pages, on Steam stats, for a game where most people don;t play through Steam. :(




Nevermind that to participate in Horizons beta you couldn't do it through Steam.

Meaning at beta time a whole bunch of users were FORCED OUT of Steam, why the chuff would they go back?

By sheer coincidence the Steam stats drop, and that's never mentioned by the starters of these threads because it doesn't suit their ridiculous "the game is dying" agenda.

As usual arguing around "facts" which aren't really facts.
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I have the lifetime pass and of course, I played 2.1 Beta through Steam as anyone else who bought game through Steam and also bought expansion pass on FD web.
 

bitstorm

bitstorm
PavelKCZ said:
I have the lifetime pass and of course, I played 2.1 Beta through Steam as anyone else who bought game through Steam and also bought expansion pass on FD web.
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I said Horizons beta, 2.0, the 2.0 beta was NOT available through Steam. All Steam users who wanted to participate in beta were forced out of Steam.

But let's not let facts get in the way of OP's agenda-pushing troll post.
 
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Maxmilian Czhilli

Maxmilian Czhilli
The only reason I continue to launch the game through Steam is because I use a Steam Controller and it is easier for me to manage the controller that way.

I don't think you can read to much into the steam stats.

Frontier Developments are hiring: http://www.frontier.co.uk/jobs . If the guys and gals in Cambridge were as worried as the gloom-mongers I doubt they would be expending their workforce.
 

Thalion Solarstorm

Thalion Solarstorm
Steam Stats are for the cats as there is a launcher.

I personally dont bother with steam - i always use the launcher directly without steam loading up and all that.
And also since i play on Linux nowadays i just start the launcher - steam wont know about any of that.

Cheers!
 

smiths121

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Will people stopping responding to this thread, let it just die only an indeterminate amount of players care (those that use Steam).

See, now look what you've done I have gone and bumped the thread already.

Simon
 

Ian Phillips

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Ian Phillips
Maxmilian Czhilli said:
The only reason I continue to launch the game through Steam is because I use a Steam Controller and it is easier for me to manage the controller that way.

I don't think you can read to much into the steam stats.

Frontier Developments are hiring: http://www.frontier.co.uk/jobs . If the guys and gals in Cambridge were as worried as the gloom-mongers I doubt they would be expending their workforce.
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LOL - funny typo :)

I think you mean expanding, not expending
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
freedom4556 said:
No, they don't. The Steam charts linked in the OP (which constitute a statistically significant sample of the player population), show a significant (-50%) decline in average players since Dec 15, and a gain of only +14% since Apr 16. Engineers failed to replicate the player uptick from Horizons, and was arguably more on-par with the previous patches. We're also down year-on-year by 27.5%, again in terms of Steam player averages. This strongly suggests player loss is exceeding new player acquisition and player reacquisition.

Now, selection biases in the Steam population, as well as shenanigans with Horizons being first listed separately on Steam, then de-listed and made a DLC will have had an effect on the numbers.

Frontier are likely already very aware of this, and their internal metrics are going to be far better than these. However, OP and I are just wanting to point out trends that can be observed from publically available numbers.
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This is because of the ridiculous high peak numbers we had in Dec '15. If you compare average players from May '15 the decline is very small. I also pointed out several times that you are looking at the wrong numbers, concurrent players is an indicator for playtime, not players leaving the game. You need to look at audience, not concurrent players.
 
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Cosmos

C
4Corvus said:
Maybe you love the direction this game is going, but you are a small minority I think.

http://steamcharts.com/app/359320
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Its hard to really guestimate based upon this.. For example, if you put EvE into the same app it comes out with about 1/3 the number ED has at the present time of writing.

http://steamcharts.com/app/8500

There are lots of folks who don't used the steam launcher so hard to tell. I doubt the game is about to keel over and die.
 
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