2.1 vs T-7

[TheSisko]

4 small hard-points may have been sufficient in the old days, and perhaps barely sufficient now, but with 2.1 incoming with improved NPC AI, I fear for the T-7.

It needs....something (I'm trying to avoid the B-word). Its underpowered and over priced, especially compared to a Clipper which is available for not much more credits at Baron rank. Add in the large-pad requirement and the total mismatch compared to the medium-pad Python for cargo capacity, and its a ship I've not planning to go back to. Its merely a stepping stone for better ships, and that's a shame.

Maybe Lakon will see sense and upgrade that power plant, at least.

Because 2.1 is coming. And it will show no mercy towards the weak.

 

[Vasious]

The Lakon Type 7 Transporter is a oddity of a ship, with things build in the model that don't do anything, but hint at function when compared to other ships

The Type 7 does have a spare hard point slot on the underside

Spoiler

Would be cool if a Engineer could enable it.



The Winglets look like they can fold as well, it would still be neat if they folded up like the winglets of the Adder when the gear is deployed.

BUT that wont help the large pad issue.....

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Still folding wings that don't change the Pad size, and an extra small Hard point aren't going to be game changers.

Pure fantasy but I would love to be able to jury-rig a way to Piggy Back a Sidewinder on a Type 7
Theoretically, one could attach a Sidewinder to the top side hatch like thing.
Could Mate with the Universal Cargo Hatch on the underside of the sidewinder.
Fit snuggle into the depression on the Hull of the Type 7
And at ~50 tons not be much of a burden to the Transporter

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[lysan]

Yeah, something is needed to be done. Maybe extend the cargo bay, give it a longer range, better shields?

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The Lakon Type 7 Transporter is a oddity of a ship, with things build in the model that don't do anything, but hint at function when compared to other ships

The Type 7 does have a spare hard point slot on the underside

Spoiler

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w346/Vasious27/Screenshot_0862.png

Would be cool if a Engineer could enable it.



The Winglets look like they can fold as well, it would still be neat if they folded up like the winglets of the Adder when the gear is deployed.

BUT that wont help the large pad issue.....

Spoiler

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w346/Vasious27/a8870c35-7b27-4cc1-b590-f53668ec8b61.png

Still folding wings that don't change the Pad size, and an extra small Hard point aren't going to be game changers.

Pure fantasy but I would love to be able to jury-rig a way to Piggy Back a Sidewinder on a Type 7
Theoretically, one could attach a Sidewinder to the top side hatch like thing.
Could Mate with the Universal Cargo Hatch on the underside of the sidewinder.
Fit snuggle into the depression on the Hull of the Type 7
And at ~50 tons not be much of a burden to the Transporter

Spoiler

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=57583&d=1440588771

UUH that sidewinder thingy is nice, I would love that.

 

[terrycloth]

I don't really understand why it doesn't fit on a medium pad. It looks like it should.

 

[EUS]

Its profile is too tall.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

To be fair all the T type ships are drastically under classed for current interdiction and combat rates imo. Looking at shield values the B word could be validated...

A little off topic so spoilered:

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Prior to playing:
I personally expected trading ships to be the tanks of the sky with exceptional armour and shields but next to 0 offensive and manoeuvring capabilities. Turns out I was right on the offence and manoeuvring bit but the shields are paper thin too even fully upgraded.
Conversely I expected fighters to be paper thin armour + shields but really fast and hard hitting (sorta glass cannons but not quite as glass), they kind of are but lower damage than I expected.
Then Frigates and midrange ships would be the heavy hitters, too slow to take on fighters but perfect for engaging the trading ships and other mid-range.
Cruisers too slow to take on anything apart from the biggest traders and other cruisers, bombardment etc. There for power projection with huge broadside attacks and long range weaponry.

Basically my expectation is that equal ship classes would duel each other with most not bothering to fight other classes due to their ineffectiveness. I expected it to artificially balance the game so it'd take at least 5+ fighters to take on a mid-range ship and 5+ mid-range to take on a cruiser.
I was pretty wrong but hey ho I'm enjoying it.

Edit: EUS is correct, this chart shows all ship dimensions, height is the only thing stopping the T7 from going medium: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=146710

 

[EUS]

clRhubarb?

 

[Alex Brentnall]

clRhubarb?

Editing now, I've no idea how or what happened there. I'm very confused and tired.

Edit Edit: On the Edit pane it shows as "classed"... That's odd. I've found a forum bug!

Edit Edit Edit: Ahh, it's the forum filter. I've used under-clas sed and it didn't like it... Ah well Rhubarb it is I guess, first time the filter has hit me.

 

[TaoZero5]

All the T7 needs is friends.

 

[Vasious]

All the T9 needs is friends.

I pictured the Lakon ships flying in Formations, all the Box formations of the WW2 bombers, covering each other with numerous turreted weapons

 

[EUS]

Editing now, I've no idea how or what happened there. I'm very confused and tired.

Edit Edit: On the Edit pane it shows as "classed"... That's odd. I've found a forum bug!

Edit Edit Edit: Ahh, it's the forum filter. I've used under-clas sed and it didn't like it... Ah well Rhubarb it is I guess, first time the filter has hit me.

That's funny.

 

[Red Anders]

Editing now, I've no idea how or what happened there. I'm very confused and tired.

Edit Edit: On the Edit pane it shows as "classed"... That's odd. I've found a forum bug!

Edit Edit Edit: Ahh, it's the forum filter. I've used under-clas sed and it didn't like it... Ah well Rhubarb it is I guess, first time the filter has hit me.

Someone has set it up to block any word which includes the letters a s s e d (fair use claimed there mods, I'm troubleshooting here...)

Someone had p a s s e d blocked in a post earlier, you have c l a s s e d blocked, pretty sure if I mention having amassed (a m a s s e d) quite a few credits last week that will get blocked too.

Edit: Yup, called it.

 

[CMDR Ellegon]

I opened a thread about this earlier today, but no moderator love:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=241462&p=3740814#post3740814

I especially liked the clusterLettuce....

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(re: large pad required) Its profile is too tall.

I could squish it a bit with my Conda, that should help

Seriously, the T-7 was the only ship I flew that I hated with a vengeance. I exchanged it for a Clipper as soon as I could and never looked back! Can't fight, flies like a ton of bricks and is way to expensive for what it offers.

 

[CMDR LACEWING]

I think the idea of the devs was to make the dedicated transporters absolutely horrible in combat, well and they succeeded in that. But there should be a trade off (heh), like significantly more cargo space, or it will make those ships pointless in comparison to multirole ships.

 

[Chris Simon]

I always thought she has WAY too little cargo capacity. I mean, the internal volume of T7 seems at least twice as big compared to Python. If T7 could carry, let's say, something between 300-350 tons, it would feel about right.

And that cavity the Sidewinder fits into... interesting find!

 

[Red Anders]

Someone has set it up to block any word which includes the letters a s s e d (fair use claimed there mods, I'm troubleshooting here...)

Someone had p a s s e d blocked in a post earlier, you have c l a s s e d blocked, pretty sure if I mention having amassed (a m a s s e d) quite a few credits last week that will get blocked too.

Edit: Yup, called it.

Obviously been fixed now, so my post just makes me look stupid. OK more stupid.

 

[TheSisko]

I always thought she has WAY too little cargo capacity. I mean, the internal volume of T7 seems at least twice as big compared to Python. If T7 could carry, let's say, something between 300-350 tons, it would feel about right.

And that cavity the Sidewinder fits into... interesting find!

Agreed about the cargo. I can only imagine that more internal space is used for the engine room compared to the Python.

Brought a Sidewinder last week to add to my fleet. Small, cheap, fun to fly and decent short range taxi. Most ships have some sort of appeal or need to go back for once you can afford better hardware. The T-7 (for me anyway) just doesn't fall into that category.

The T-6 carries less but at least that's more of multi-role ship, with a very decent jump range, good enough to go exploring in and enough cargo space to fit a gym into.

The T-9 can be turned into a battle cow just for fun.

The T-7? Erm.....well.....apart from trading she can mine rocks I suppose? And even there I'd rather have a Federal Dropship which can defend itself.

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I pictured the Lakon ships flying in Formations, all the Box formations of the WW2 bombers, covering each other with numerous turreted weapons

Completely off-topic, but if anyone is looking for a great Military Sci-Fi read (full of ship battles and formation deployment and great characters too), I recommend The Lost Fleet series of e-books.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

Agreed about the cargo. I can only imagine that more internal space is used for the engine room compared to the Python.

Brought a Sidewinder last week to add to my fleet. Small, cheap, fun to fly and decent short range taxi. Most ships have some sort of appeal or need to go back for once you can afford better hardware. The T-7 (for me anyway) just doesn't fall into that category.

T7 has class 4-5 internals with 3 for sensors and distributor. All internals add to 24 with a C5 fuel tank.
Python has 5-7 internals with 4 for life support. All internals add to 35 with a C5 fuel tank.

Doesn't hold water unfortunately.

Agreed T7 has no real appeal apart from that real trucker feel and you can get that in the T9

 

[Saool]

Ah the T7 *shudder*. Or 'the brain bug' as I called it. A stepping stone that is not missed.

 

[Vasious]

It is a cool looking ship, great view, looks like a heavy industrial ship, has winglets

I love using it for exploring, hence why dreaming about a Sidewinder scout parasite