2.2 Im 2000+ light years out and found wreckage still Illegal???

[NeonKnight]

Ok i get it. In a system in civilized space sure but out in the vast unexplored reaches of the great beyound???

Found a wrecked ship over 2000 LY from civiluzation and the survey cache was stolen....makes no sense.

 

[Section47ABH]

Ok i get it. In a system in civilized space sure but out in the vast unexplored reaches of the great beyound???

Found a wrecked ship over 2000 LY from civiluzation and the survey cache was stolen....makes no sense.

The crime you're committing by taking that cargo is 'wrecking' - if you don't have salvage rights, and how could you for a ship lost that far out? - you're stealing from the rightful owner of the cargo.

There's a fairly horrible history of the practise around the world, down to and including setting up fake lighthouses and navigational beacons to lure ships onto reefs and shoals so that their wrecks could be plundered. Which is why it came to be regulated so that without authority from the owner or the sanction of - in UK waters - the Receiver of Wrecks anything you take from a foundered ship, you've stolen.

 

[MassiveD]

The crime you're committing by taking that cargo is 'wrecking' - if you don't have salvage rights, and how could you for a ship lost that far out? - you're stealing from the rightful owner of the cargo.

There's a fairly horrible history of the practise around the world, down to and including setting up fake lighthouses and navigational beacons to lure ships onto reefs and shoals so that their wrecks could be plundered. Which is why it came to be regulated so that without authority from the owner or the sanction of - in UK waters - the Receiver of Wrecks anything you take from a foundered ship, you've stolen.

Wow, I learned something new today, thank you!

 

[drzdeano]

The crime you're committing by taking that cargo is 'wrecking' - if you don't have salvage rights, and how could you for a ship lost that far out? - you're stealing from the rightful owner of the cargo.

There's a fairly horrible history of the practise around the world, down to and including setting up fake lighthouses and navigational beacons to lure ships onto reefs and shoals so that their wrecks could be plundered. Which is why it came to be regulated so that without authority from the owner or the sanction of - in UK waters - the Receiver of Wrecks anything you take from a foundered ship, you've stolen.

The key part of the comment being in UK waters.

He is far away from any law.

The system should be Anarchy, which means you cannot commit crime there or be wanted for stealing, who is going to enforce it?

 

[Sapyx]

The cargo knows who its owner is - it's RFID-tagged to that owner. For deep-space cargo ejected from an exploding ship, that owner is not you. Whenever a tagged cargo canister has an owner tag different to the owner of the ship it is sitting in, this is recognized by a cargo scanner or warehouse as "this cargo must be stolen".

 

[Marc_Hicks]

At least escape pods aren't illegal anymore .

 

[Section47ABH]

The key part of the comment being in UK waters.

He is far away from any law.

The system should be Anarchy, which means you cannot commit crime there or be wanted for stealing, who is going to enforce it?

No, this is maritime law. Anywhere in international waters wrecking is a crime: the UK Receiver of Wreck is just the regulatory mechanism for if it's brought ashore here, his function being to determine what portion of the value of the goods you're entitled to as salvor and forward the rest to the rightful owner. Every jurisdiction with a coastline has an equivalent.

Until it is brought ashore, wreck is in the same jurisdiction as eg piracy, which is to say universal. It's stolen property as soon as it's brought ashore without the right legalities being observed, and at the least you get done for Handling, assuming you can rebut the presumption that you're the thief yourself, go look up 'doctrine of recent possession' and how it applies to those in possession of stolen goods. Mileage may vary in non-common-law jurisdictions, but the basic principles are very nearly universal.

 

[NeonKnight]

Yes, and there is such a thing as salvage.

As an example, the big Tsunami the wrecked part of Japan a few years back, caused a motorcycle of all things to be washed ashore here in Vancouver.

Now the guy who found the motorcycle wasn't jumped by Interpol or the RCMP when he found the bike, and in fact he went above and beyond by trying to return said bike to it's rightful owner in Japan.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...-b-c-may-be-japanese-tsunami-debris-1.1237580

So, again, I get it, just seems very silly for something that far out to be determined as 'stolen'.

Found yes

Stolen, no.

 

[Sapyx]

Yes, what is lacking is a mechanism for "handing in lost property" to the police, either for free (to gain rep) or for a small reward - perhaps depending on the government in question.

On that basis, it shouldn't be illegal to bring "stolen things" into a space station, only to try to sell them or take them back out again. But that requires the AI to be able to figure out which way you are going when it scans you.

 

[Space Dandy]

I have said it once and will say it again FD dont give rats behind about how real salvage works and just can't be bothered to do salvage right. Salvage isn't stolen property by definition but FD make it so cause they're too lazy or not smart enough to do it properly.

 

[Brian of Ardagh]

I have said it once and will say it again FD dont give rats behind about how real salvage works and just can't be bothered to do salvage right. Salvage isn't stolen property by definition but FD make it so cause they're too lazy or not smart enough to do it properly.

They need something like a salvage permit that could be issued by a faction or some other body. There would then be a need for another location to return the goods for a salvage fee. Your permit could be revoked in that jurisdiction if you sold said salvage on the black market rather than the proper location.

That would essentially be creating an entirely new profession in the game. I think it's a great idea but it would require work on FD's part to implement.

BTW, if you find a legal escape pod where do you turn it in today or are those all handled in missions?

 

[drzdeano]

Once you become allied with the controlling faction they should allow you to bid or purchase the right to legitimatly salvage from within system

 

[syngyne]

They need something like a salvage permit that could be issued by a faction or some other body. There would then be a need for another location to return the goods for a salvage fee. Your permit could be revoked in that jurisdiction if you sold said salvage on the black market rather than the proper location.

That would essentially be creating an entirely new profession in the game. I think it's a great idea but it would require work on FD's part to implement.

BTW, if you find a legal escape pod where do you turn it in today or are those all handled in missions?

You can sell them on the commodities market, they show up as "legal salvage" or something.