2.4 Imperial Slaves should be treated as passengers missions not cargo

[Ben Ryder]

At the moment refugees and prisoners are treated as passengers while imperial slaves are sold by the weight and stored n teh cagro hold like bio waste.

Please get rid of them as a commodity and make them in to a passenger mission type activity.

More details to follow (after I've done the house, work hada cuppa and some lunch).

 

[Arry]

Afternoon Ben. Are you sure that there are no passenger missions, requiring the transport of slaves?

 

[Ben Ryder]

Afternoon Ben. Are you sure that there are no passenger missions, requiring the transport of slaves?

Hey fella !

How's life. I hope it's all woof woof!

I'm referring to Imperial slaves.

Basically according to Lore they are meant to be treated and afforded the same rights as Imperial Citizens.

So rather than being treated as tinned goods they should have some kind of cabin.

I've got some videos of David Braben and Sandro saying as much which I will dig out.

 

[DeathStroke]

There are laws against the unethical treatment of prisoners and refugees. Not for slaves, that's why they're slaves.

-1 Slaves should stay commodities.

 

[NickG2002]

There are laws against the unethical treatment of prisoners and refugees. Not for slaves, that's why they're slaves.

-1 Slaves should stay commodities.

You are correct, but Imperial Slavery is not the same as regular Slavery, the OP is correct in saying that the Empire has rules and regulations about Imperial Slavery, that's why it's Imperial Slavery, not regular Slavery.

 

[Allchemyst]

There are laws against the unethical treatment of prisoners and refugees. Not for slaves, that's why they're slaves.

-1 Slaves should stay commodities.

From the very beginning, slaves and imperial slaves have constituted a clearly different type of social status. Illegal slavery, by which a human is deprived of all rights and turned into a commodity, warrants the use of "commodity transport" because if you don't care about their rights, you won't care about their confort.

Imperial slaves are "not" property to speak of, they are protected citizens, usually paying off debts for a certain amount of time (imperial culture treats debt like a form of dishonor) - sometimes, indeed, forever. But you cannot do as you please with imperial slaves, wether you like it or not.

As was said above, the devs have said they want to separate both practices and give imperial slaves better quarters, whch is perfectly normal and justified.

 

[varonica]

At the moment refugees and prisoners are treated as passengers while imperial slaves are sold by the weight and stored n teh cagro hold like bio waste.

Please get rid of them as a commodity and make them in to a passenger mission type activity.

More details to follow (after I've done the house, work hada cuppa and some lunch).

There is an argument that even prisoners and refugees are "paying" passengers, that is at some point you will be payed for transporting them, but you won't be paid "for" them, whereas transporting slaves cost you money by being purchased and make money once sold, so by that standard they are a commodity. Also as I understand they are transported in hibernation units designed to connect to the ship power systems in the hold, passenger cabins wouldn't have the required storage racks and power connections to take the hibernation units. They are transported as a commodity because they are a commodity, but that doesn't mean they are badly treated while being transported, being in hibernation means they wouldn't even be aware of the passage.

 

[Lestat]

I have to agree with Ben on this one. I remember the DDF forums about Imperial Slavery. They take Mid to High class Cabins not Cryogenics one ton canisters.

 

[JohnCarter]

At the moment refugees and prisoners are treated as passengers while imperial slaves are sold by the weight and stored n teh cagro hold like bio waste.

Please get rid of them as a commodity and make them in to a passenger mission type activity.

More details to follow (after I've done the house, work hada cuppa and some lunch).

I agree Ben. Imperial slavery is totally different than the trash like treatment one would normally think of. Usually these are people that cannot pay off a debt and are working the debt off. I myself am not proslavery. But I bet interest rates on credit cards and loans would sure drop. There are actually laws in the Empire that actually protect slaves. I am not devoted to one major faction or another but more of a freelancer. I do have a code of honor though and will not transport federal slaves to federal factions, sell imperial slaves to the Fed's or treat any slaves as inhuman. In fact I have been known to sell some federal slaves to the Empire.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

Since the original Elite borrowed several concepts from the old SciFi roleplaying game Traveller, they should do some of it properly with ED. Travelling in suspended animation, called Low travel in Traveller had a 1 in 6 chance of being fatal. ED cryopods could use a similar method, though if the time the "passenger" was in the cryopod would also affect the chance of survival. Slaves who die would cost the CMDR money, and in some jurisdictions would be a crime.

If cryopod slaves, imp slaves, prisoners and low passengers had a chance of not surviving the transport, the profit for taking them in this manner would be decreased. To go with this, these same "passengers" should also be available in normal cabins. Though slaves should require specialized cabins, as should prisoners. Imp slaves are voluntary, so wouldn't require secure cabins. Some changes would be needed to handle the sale of passengers that don't come in cans.

 

[Ben Ryder]

Since the original Elite borrowed several concepts from the old SciFi roleplaying game Traveller, they should do some of it properly with ED. Travelling in suspended animation, call Low travel in Traveller had a 1 in 6 chance of being fatal. ED cryopods could use a similar method, though if the time the "passenger" was in the cryopod would also affect the chance of survival. Slaves who die would cost the CMDR money, and in some jurisdictions would be a crime.

If cryopod slaves, imp slaves, prisoners and low passengers had a chance of not surviving the transport, the profit for taking them in this manner would be decreased. To go with this, these same "passengers" should also be available in normal cabins. Though slaves should require specialized cabins, as should prisoners. Imp slaves are voluntary, so wouldn't require secure cabins. Some changes would be needed to handle the sale of passengers that don't come in cans.

Imperial slave not shipped in cabins fetch the same price as normal slaves (this woudl cove rthe loss of those who expire in transit or arrive damaged) and / or are treated as illegal as they have not been afforded rights?

At the moment prisoners and refugees get better treatment than imperial slaves.

 

[vampireuk]

Considering they are slaves I hold very little interest in their wellbeing. Quite frankly the more I can shove in my cargo hold the better.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Hey fella !

How's life. I hope it's all woof woof!

I'm referring to Imperial slaves.

Basically according to Lore they are meant to be treated and afforded the same rights as Imperial Citizens.

So rather than being treated as tinned goods they should have some kind of cabin.

I've got some videos of David Braben and Sandro saying as much which I will dig out.

[video=youtube;yrv3yC3wrg8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrv3yC3wrg8&feature=youtu.be&t=4m49s[/video]

 

[RandomGun]

Please get rid of them as a commodity and make them in to a passenger mission type activity.

Yes, please. Make them somewhat lucrative missions with heavy penalty (money, reputation) if you fail them. And make them available only for the most trustworthy (Allied). Make Empire care about their slaves.

 

[vampireuk]

I disagree, I thoroughly enjoy having 464 tonnes of slaves crammed into the hull of my ship. I can almost hear the crying and whimpering through the bulkheads, sometimes I have to warn them that if they carry on making noise I will jettison some of them as a lesson to the others.

 

[Allchemyst]

I disagree, I thoroughly enjoy having 464 tonnes of slaves crammed into the hull of my ship. I can almost hear the crying and whimpering through the bulkheads, sometimes I have to warn them that if they carry on making noise I will jettison some of them as a lesson to the others.

Then just get regular slaves... That's precisely what they're for!

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

I disagree, I thoroughly enjoy having 464 tonnes of slaves crammed into the hull of my ship. I can almost hear the crying and whimpering through the bulkheads, sometimes I have to warn them that if they carry on making noise I will jettison some of them as a lesson to the others.

Do you work for United?.