4k setup

[lukeren]

It's probably been asked a ton of times, but since I can't search the forum for "4k" (it's too short), I dare ask it.

I just got myself a Dell P2715Q and tried firing up ED with my GTX 770. Instant (but expected) sad panda.
I've read everything from people having good results with a 970 to people claiming 2 x 980 in SLI is required.

On paper, the 970 isn't that much better than my current 770, though it does have double the RAM.

Are anyone running 4k with a 970 who would be willing to share their graphics settings?
Does anyone else have any experiences with this?

 

[bambam_ofc]

4k 970 benchmarks: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-and-980-reference-review,22.html
Rough card comparison (at lower res, because at least that includes the 770 and 970):
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I've been running high resolutions for a long time (3600 x 1600) and I'm confident there is ZERO chance a 970 can run ED at 4K in any sensible way. ED has 'empty space' where even a low-end card would work, followed by entering stations or approaching planets that does actually tax the gpu (and, crucially, texture loading). Often success is claimed for a card in ED when it copes with the easy bit, with the stuttering in stations or near planets treated as a minor glitch, but that isn't an accurate benchmark really.

 

[ilgello]

It's probably been asked a ton of times, but since I can't search the forum for "4k" (it's too short), I dare ask it.

I just got myself a Dell P2715Q and tried firing up ED with my GTX 770. Instant (but expected) sad panda.
I've read everything from people having good results with a 970 to people claiming 2 x 980 in SLI is required.

On paper, the 970 isn't that much better than my current 770, though it does have double the RAM.

Are anyone running 4k with a 970 who would be willing to share their graphics settings?
Does anyone else have any experiences with this?

Avoid the 970 like plague if your intentions are to play in 4k, I'd wait for the Titan X to come out and then probably get a 980gtx under 500 Euros

 

[lukeren]

I actually went and bought a 970 before any of you replied, the post seemed to get buried, so I thought I'd just give it a try.
There's still some tweaking to be done, but so far it seems ok-ish with High settings. I do get drops down to about 25 fps while in stations, and the map is crazy, dropping to 18.
I'm assuming I'll have to add another 970 down the road, if I want proper fps.

There was a world of difference going from the 770 to the 970 though, much more than I expected.

 

[Cavendish101]

Avoid the 970 like plague if your intentions are to play in 4k, I'd wait for the Titan X to come out and then probably get a 980gtx under 500 Euros

970 works just fine.

 

[ilgello]

970 works just fine.

Yes the ideal GPU to paly on 4k, with a castrated memory bus which penalize performance on higher resolutions/textures.

In fact he get 25 fps, less than half of what I consider playable.

Don't bother with SLI, but money is yours as ultimately the final decision, happy gaming nonetheless!

 

[lukeren]

Yes the ideal GPU to paly on 4k, with a castrated memory bus which penalize performance on higher resolutions/textures.

In fact he get 25 fps, less than half of what I consider playable.

Don't bother with SLI, but money is yours as ultimately the final decision, happy gaming nonetheless!

25 fps surely isn't fun. I can probably return the 970, but I'm not just gonna do that on a whim.
All the reviews I've seen about 970 and SLI says you gain roughly 80-90% fps, even in 4k.

Do you have a link some to tests or something with this info about the 970 being crippled?

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

Yes the ideal GPU to paly on 4k, with a castrated memory bus which penalize performance on higher resolutions/textures.

In fact he get 25 fps, less than half of what I consider playable.

Don't bother with SLI, but money is yours as ultimately the final decision, happy gaming nonetheless!

Not only that but he posted a benchmarks only from games where the AMD optimization has been so bad it's deemed unplayable by people with mid-grade cards. Talk about trying to stack the deck.
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I've run into a lot of 970 owners trying to justify and compensate for Nvidia reaming them with a half-baked product, and this is definitely up there in the top 10. There is only one reason anyone needs to not buy a 970 right now that is because Nvidia sold it under false marketing. Nobody else gets away with that, so why should they?
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Because video games? Gimme a break...

 

[lukeren]

Not only that but he posted a benchmarks only from games where the AMD optimization has been so bad it's deemed unplayable by people with mid-grade cards. Talk about trying to stack the deck.
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I've run into a lot of 970 owners trying to justify and compensate for Nvidia reaming them with a half-baked product, and this is definitely up there in the top 10. There is only one reason anyone needs to not buy a 970 right now that is because Nvidia sold it under false marketing. Nobody else gets away with that, so why should they?
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Because video games? Gimme a break...

I'm in no way religous, would an AMD card do better for the same money?

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

I'm in no way religous, would an AMD card do better for the same money?

First, there is no single card going to push 4k effectively on the market right now. Not even a Titan Black. Anyone saying otherwise is blowing smoke up your hoo-ha.
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How anxious are you to buy? Both AMD and Nvidia are releasing new lineups in 3 months or less, but even if you don't want to buy the latest and greatest that means there'll be a fire sale on everything else. For the same price as one of the new cards you'll be able to buy two 290x's or two GTX 780ti's. Hell, I just saw a 24 hour sale on a 295x2 yesterday on Amazon for $470. My recommendation, no matter what you catch on sale, is to grab the card with the highest bus width you can. ED is not a demanding game but it does have problems with hitching and frameskipping, and having the highest memory bandwidth possible helps alleviate that and give the game a glassy smooth feel.

 

[lukeren]

First, there is no single card going to push 4k effectively on the market right now. Not even a Titan Black. Anyone saying otherwise is blowing smoke up your hoo-ha.
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How anxious are you to buy? Both AMD and Nvidia are releasing new lineups in 3 months or less, but even if you don't want to buy the latest and greatest that means there'll be a fire sale on everything else. For the same price as one of the new cards you'll be able to buy two 290x's or two GTX 780ti's. Hell, I just saw a 24 hour sale on a 295x2 yesterday on Amazon for $470. My recommendation, no matter what you catch on sale, is to grab the card with the highest bus width you can. ED is not a demanding game but it does have problems with hitching and frameskipping, and having the highest memory bandwidth possible helps alleviate that and give the game a glassy smooth feel.

I never expected to run ED in 4k with 1 card really.
I'm pretty anxious since I've already got the monitor though
Another thing that goes into my equation is the idle powerdraw. My computer is always turned on, so the idle draw has to be as little as possible. This is where the AMD cards usually goes off the potential list.
I just had another (quick) look and it would appear the 290x is comperable to the 970, though the 290 is a bit faster, but not enough (imho) to warrant the much higher powerdraw.

Two different people in this thread have voiced concern about the 970, but I have still to see any real information.
It's not that I don't believe you, but I would just really like to see some facts in the form of tests or otherwise.

 

[uberdude]

If you expected to run ED in 4k with SLI then you're fine as far as i know. But here's an article i found about the 970 it really isn't a big deal unless you chew up all the memory.

Makes me glad i got the 980 though and a i7 5820k to feed that bad boy. plan to SLI it in about 6 more months.

 

[Calebe]

The issue with the 970 is it says 4 gig of ram however 3.5 is actually all that is available and the last .5 gig is like a cache. Driver updates have made it work better but there is a 3% (depending on who you ask and what you read) performance penalty when that last .5 gig of ram is accessed. All this talk how NVIDIA lied is hyperbole and blown way out of proportion. The benchmarks do not change it runs fast and generates very little heat compared to older cards. Every video card review on a 970 shows they run very fast and can be overclocked they can actually reach the stock performance of a 980.
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It is just if NVDIA called the card 3.5 gig of video ram with a .5 gig cache the nonsense would all die down. As it is some feel cheated by thinking (and rightfully so), that newer games will want to use that last .5 gig of ram and the card will suffer. However if your buying any card and assuming it will be perfect on new games not made or released your buying foolishly. No one will know what any card will do in games not made. You buy a card today that will play the games you do today at the best frame rate, with the visual settings you want to max out at. To try to think it is future proof the odds are good for games released within 6 months to a year after you buy it, it will do good, after that all bets are off. That I know is pure guess work but then again people would guess the 980 would not have an issue with the games the 970 may and no one can say that with certainty.
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As you guessed I owe a 970 and it works great, no issues and I max Elite and use the DSR feature so the game runs at 2715x1525 the monitor is a 27 inch 1920x1080 display so it knocks it back down but gives a sharper image using the feature. No card is perfect, but for the price and performance I found the 970 to hit the sweet spot for me. Your mileage may vary of course, just some blow things out of proportion. The card performs exactly as all the reviews sites said on games they tested. Is it a 4 gig card, yes, a true 4 gig not really, it is a 3.5 gig card. Way more then my old GTX580 at 1.5 gig.
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Calebe

 

[lukeren]

I considered the 980, but since I knew I wouldn't be able to run ED in 4k with just one of them anyway, it would be cheaper to get the 970 and then possibly buying another later for SLI.

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All this talk how NVIDIA lied is hyperbole and blown way out of proportion. The benchmarks do not change it runs fast and generates very little heat compared to older cards.

Exactly what I was thinking too.

 

[Cmdr Thrudd]

I've got a pair of 970s in SLI and it handles 4K with a solid 60fps even in stations with everything maxed except ambient occlusion and AA off (not that you need AA at 4K)

 

[Simon853]

I considered the 980, but since I knew I wouldn't be able to run ED in 4k with just one of them anyway

I have a single GTX 980 and it runs ED at 4k without any problems whatsoever. I get up to 90 fps in space if I turn the v-sync off. Drops to about 40 in stations, but that's no big deal.

 

[Darrell]

I have a single GTX 980 and it runs ED at 4k without any problems whatsoever. I get up to 90 fps in space if I turn the v-sync off. Drops to about 40 in stations, but that's no big deal.

Simon853 what 4k monitor are you using? I have my SLI'd 980s ready for 4k and could always do with recommendations. I currently have my eye on the ASUS PB279Q.

 

[Simon853]

Mine's an Ilyama B2888UHSU.

 

[lukeren]

I've got a pair of 970s in SLI and it handles 4K with a solid 60fps even in stations with everything maxed except ambient occlusion and AA off (not that you need AA at 4K)

Good to know

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I have a single GTX 980 and it runs ED at 4k without any problems whatsoever. I get up to 90 fps in space if I turn the v-sync off. Drops to about 40 in stations, but that's no big deal.

Which quality preset are you using?

 

[Simon853]

I'm using custom settings but everything is max'd but with AA off.