A BIG Rant

It is time I vent my spleen, yes this is going to be a rant, there are some things that just makes me shake my head in disbelief:

THE ROADMAP
It seems that every second thread someone will complain that FD are keeping the vaulted and mythical 'Roadmap' secret and it just isn't fair. Well what do you expect! I haven't seen too many games that the developers release a complete list of their intent with dates of intended implementation. Can you imagine just what would happen if FD did release such a document:

  • One third of the players would scream that the feature THEY wanted isn't included and they will personally hold everyone at FD responsible until all other projects are cancelled and their feature gets maximum effort to be developed immediately. They cry, they rant, they bleat that if their brilliant ideas aren't listened to, the game will be dead before Christmas
  • One third will kind of agree with what is on the Roadmap, but will demand 'minor amendments or adjustments' to every item on the Roadmap just because they 'think' they know more than the Devs and could do the programming in a few minutes (wonders why they aren't working in the industry then huh). They cry, they rant, they bleat that if their brilliant improvements aren't implemented, the game will be dead before Christmas
  • The remaining third will like what is listed in the Roadmap but totally disregard reality and demand that all features are finished and the patch released by Friday at the latest. They cry, they rant, they bleat that if the patch isn't released by Friday, the game will be dead before Christmas.

Come on guys, the staff of FD do know what they are doing, and are trying to please a very diverse group of players over a varied set of operating systems. We don't know what their plans are, maybe that is all they are are plans. Let them do their job without the continuous demands for things we may think are urgent but in the overall scheme of things could still be years away.

THE UNIVERSE
Another continuous whine I hear in these forums is: I never see another Commander, this is suppose to be a MMO, where is the PVP, there is no one to 'interact' (read shoot and annoy) with.

So lets look at the facts: The games boasts 400 BILLION (that is 400,000,000,000) Systems. Now lets assume that each system, on average has 4 planets/moons/things to fly into - that is 16,000,000,000,000 objects in the Universe. And you want all players to be jammed into a corner so you can see them? Get real, space is B I G, really really big. If FD were to introduce any semblance of realism, once you leave your starter world you would probably never see another real player again - the odds are just against it!

FD has tried to help, for those that crave human contact there are Community Quests, PowerPlay, even the creation of RES points but don't expect every player to want to participate in any of those, it isn't compulsory is it. Now FD are bringing in CQC just so those that have whined the most can engage in some pretty meaningless pew pew for bragging rights. Meanwhile the rest of us will be out exploring the galaxy.

POWER PLAY
Admission up front, I have not pledged to a power, never thought of pledging to a power, don't even read the posts about Power Play. Why, it is simple, I don't have to. And that is where I think FD made a strategic error. They let PowerPlay exist on both Solo and Open (not sure about groups but would assume there too) and then surprised when a lot of players do the dangerous stuff in Solo where they are safe.

In my own opinion, I believe PP should be all encompassing. You should not have got an option whether to participate or not. On release, every player should have had to Pledge to a power, after that it was up to them if they got involved. But by pledging, they are part of the universe and get the benefits and the danger involved. You basically have the majority of populated space involved in a war of attrition yet (guessing here, but an educated guess nevertheless) the majority of players just don't care! If PD wanted PowerPlay to work, to become part of the Universe, then it should be an option and should be restricted to Open (i.e the rewards only come to those who complete the tasks in Open).

THIS SUCKS THERE IS NOTHING TO DO
God if I hear this whine one more time I am going to, hell I don't know, shake my head in disbelief. It seems there are a lot of players who are bored with the game, and I would guess that the majority of those come from a certain demographic age wise. They are use to having structured games, with everything laid out for them in a nice linear line. They need instant gratification, if they don't they don't know if they are progressing or not. They need goals, they need an End Boss to beat. What piffle, Elite was never about that, it was always about doing your own thing. If you can't think up something to do, then maybe the fault isn't with the game but with your lack of imagination. I suspect a lot won't do some of the less action things like exploration and mining because it doesn't rake in the credits and there is no bravado or bragging attributed. Be brave, be daring, try doing something that might sound boring, you might just find it is a lot more enjoyable than you thought.

Yes, FD could do some simple things that would offer more gameplay, we have all been told that such things are coming but again, people want them NOW, right NOW or they will tell mummy.

RANT OVER
I know I am going to get roasted over these comments, how dare I suggest people should have patience, to trust FD to deliver what they promised. Remember this game has been in gestation for nearly 30 years, it has been the vision of one guy since the original Elite, I think he knows what he is doing.
 

Carro

Banned
Fair comments and I am not going to "roast" you. The only thing that turns me off is your use of the words "whine" and "mummy". I hate that. It cheapens your arguments. Otherwise you make great points.
 
Is this a rant about rants?

If someone posts in here contesting you, is that a rant about a rant about a rant?

Conversely, when I post for the sole purpose of ranting about people enquiring about those who post in contention of a fellow poster, that would be a rant about a rant about a rant about a rant.

Consider yourself duly ranted.

/rant.

All Hail the Emperor
Bask in his Greatness
 
In my own opinion, I believe PP should be all encompassing. You should not have got an option whether to participate or not. On release, every player should have had to Pledge to a power, after that it was up to them if they got involved. But by pledging, they are part of the universe and get the benefits and the danger involved. You basically have the majority of populated space involved in a war of attrition yet (guessing here, but an educated guess nevertheless) the majority of players just don't care! If PD wanted PowerPlay to work, to become part of the Universe, then it should be an option and should be restricted to Open (i.e the rewards only come to those who complete the tasks in Open).

To each their own but I do not agree with this.. Why should a player be forced to align to a political power? I find it hard enough to motivate myself to get involved in real life politics (and even in real life it is not a legal requirement) so would not appreciate being forced to in elite.

PP seems to be FDs baby and clearly they want it to work, and that is great, I am not one of the PP naysayers and maybe i will get involved 1 day, but IF I do get involved it needs to be on my terms, and by FD making it something I want to do, not forcing my hand. Like many players I do not like being told what I have to do in a game. Everything in ED has been built around choice and making PP optional is in keeping with that imo.

The game has been out for 8 months..... I love ED and am generally not an ED basher.... BUT I can totally see why some are starting to lose patience. We have seen very little movement on the DDA which for me is the "charter" for what ED should aim to be and yet have seen a lot of stuff which has seemingly come from left field... PP and now CQC... I think these could both turn out to be welcome additions to the game but hopefully not at the expense of better structured missions and all the other stuff the "whiners" as you say are hoping for...... Personally I just think FD have perhaps got their priorities differed from where they said they would be, and where some backers wanted them to be.

NOTE I am totally ignoring the lock all content to open "stuff" you said.

that being said fly safe cmdr :)
 
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Rantception!

we have to go deeper!

That's not a rant: it's a seriers of quite well-constructed and cogent observations.

Please: can we have some proper rants in the forum. This is lowering the quality of ranting generally.

We missed a trick really with the latest rare goods competition. We could have proposed an "FDev Forum Rant" as traded rare goods.
 
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Fair comments and I am not going to "roast" you. The only thing that turns me off is your use of the words "whine" and "mummy". I hate that. It cheapens your arguments. Otherwise you make great points.

That, for me, immediately disqualifies any post, no matter how well written or "to the point" it may be besides that.
 
Fair comments and I am not going to "roast" you. The only thing that turns me off is your use of the words "whine" and "mummy". I hate that. It cheapens your arguments. Otherwise you make great points.

I agree with this.

Good meta rant but you also need to be open towards the fact that dividing solo and open is not gonna happen since one 50% will think they are more entitled to x feature than the other 50%.
 
Other than ranting about rants, why is it ok for you to have your own whine about PP when you claim others whine too much? Your post is full of hyperbole, inaccuracy and half truths. Really raising the forum bar there...

Couple of points, for what it's worth; People moan about the road map in part because FD specifically stated that they would be presenting one to assuage people's fears and concerns post release. Then they changed their mind. Then they released a bunch of stuff which had never been part of the original design which people had backed.

There are actual technical issues with instancing which is having an impact on people encountering other commanders.
 
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Although I agree in that ppl will complain no matter what I dissagree with that FD still knows what they do. Like they stated themself they have provided the foundations an empty house waiting for furniture. A great foundaition and a great job. This statement is from some month ago. The problem is the house is still empty. I am honestly not sure if they know what a game needs to be attractive. Every new feature they did so far is an Empty one in that point of view.
The only living one so far is that you can change the static universe a litttle bit with PP and if it is just the color of a region.
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Additional your suggestion about forcing ppl to PP is very bad idea. In that respect FD knew better than you.
 
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It seems there are a lot of players who are bored with the game, and I would guess that the majority of those come from a certain demographic age wise. They are use to having structured games, with everything laid out for them in a nice linear line. They need instant gratification, if they don't they don't know if they are progressing or not. They need goals, they need an End Boss to beat. What piffle, Elite was never about that, it was always about doing your own thing.

Sounds like a dumb old geezer answering to a dumb youngster. The older Elites had a campaign and a scenario, but the online nature of ED may have prevented that. It's still work in progress anyway, we'll see what happens when things like Thargoids are implemented.

If you can't think up something to do, then maybe the fault isn't with the game but with your lack of imagination.

If I have to use my imagination in every single task I perform in game, maybe something's wrong with the game. At the moment it is simply not immersive. When we'll see humans, hear radio comms, be able to walk in stations, maybe this'll change. But at the moment ? The galaxy feels dull and dead.

Be brave, be daring, try doing something that might sound boring, you might just find it is a lot more enjoyable than you thought.

"Force yourself to play, maybe you'll have fun".
 
Sorry I wasted my time reading this - just a rant about people's complaints and criticisms (legitimate or otherwise) from what I can make out. No suggestions (apart from the terrible one of forcing people to pledge in Powerplay), no ideas, kind of pointless really.
 
Phew, I thought you would be ranting about the game, a guy the other day was complaining about how the game asks you for conformation to "save and quit" I just wish the "fanbase" would give FD a freakin break!

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Sorry I wasted my time reading this - just a rant about people's complaints and criticisms (legitimate or otherwise) from what I can make out. No suggestions (apart from the terrible one of forcing people to pledge in Powerplay), no ideas, kind of pointless really.

It's a thread urging people to give FD a rest, they've worked like hell since the start and all people seem to do! IMO this thread is very welcome
 
It's a thread urging people to give FD a rest, they've worked like hell since the start and all people seem to do! IMO this thread is very welcome

The thread is a waste of space - it will just turn into a discussion/argument between people like you and people like me and serve no actual purpose. At least the complaint and criticism threads generally have ideas and suggestions in them, whether of any use to FD or not - at least people are talking about the game itself and not talking about people talking about the game!
 
Fair comments and I am not going to "roast" you. The only thing that turns me off is your use of the words "whine" and "mummy". I hate that. It cheapens your arguments. Otherwise you make great points.

Apology for that, in hindsight you are quite correct, incorrect terminology especially in regard to the mummy bit. But I stand by my use of the the word whine as there seems to be a lot of that going on in the forums (yes I recognise the dichotomy of my whine against others whine :D )

Other than ranting about rants, why is it ok for you to have your own whine about PP when you claim others whine too much? Your post is full of hyperbole, inaccuracy and half truths. Really raising the forum bar there...

Couple of points, for what it's worth; People moan about the road map in part because FD specifically stated that they would be presenting one to assuage people's fears and concerns post release. Then they changed their mind. Then they released a bunch of stuff which had never been part of the original design which people had backed.

There are actual technical issues with instancing which is having an impact on people encountering other commanders.

Maybe FD changed their mind when they started to read some of the comments here, or are you saying that if FD do release the roadmap, everyone will be finally happy and the complaints stop?

Sounds like a dumb old geezer answering to a dumb youngster. The older Elites had a campaign and a scenario, but the online nature of ED may have prevented that. It's still work in progress anyway, we'll see what happens when things like Thargoids are implemented.



If I have to use my imagination in every single task I perform in game, maybe something's wrong with the game. At the moment it is simply not immersive. When we'll see humans, hear radio comms, be able to walk in stations, maybe this'll change. But at the moment ? The galaxy feels dull and dead.

"Force yourself to play, maybe you'll have fun".

Yes, I am OLD, some here might say dumb, and as a geezer, well that is up for interpretation. Funny, I played the original Elite and can't remember a campaign, and the only scenario was trying to keep away from the Thargoids - the rest was up to the player.

You seem very jaded with the game, can you direct me to your list of suggestions on how you can improve it? I also believe no one is forcing you to play, or is there a secret group of Devs and Mods I haven't heard about?

Sorry I wasted my time reading this - just a rant about people's complaints and criticisms (legitimate or otherwise) from what I can make out. No suggestions (apart from the terrible one of forcing people to pledge in Powerplay), no ideas, kind of pointless really.

Here have 5 minutes of my time in compensation :D If the post was intended to provide suggestions, it would have been titled RANTS and SUGGESTIONS.

Phew, I thought you would be ranting about the game, a guy the other day was complaining about how the game asks you for conformation to "save and quit" I just wish the "fanbase" would give FD a freakin break!

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It's a thread urging people to give FD a rest, they've worked like hell since the start and all people seem to do! IMO this thread is very welcome

Thank you!
 
If I have to use my imagination in every single task I perform in game, maybe something's wrong with the game. At the moment it is simply not immersive. When we'll see humans, hear radio comms, be able to walk in stations, maybe this'll change. But at the moment ? The galaxy feels dull and dead.

Exactly.

I'm using my imagination to play E: D in my head right now, as I haven't played the real thing for over a month now. Would it be sad to say the game in my head is better than the real thing...?

Emergent gameplay, persistent universe, actual cause and effect, markets that actually respond to conditions, reductions / increases in security levels, powers that meant something, meaningful missions, a place to call home, hangers, procedurally developed weapons, addons, self styled paint jobs, mechanics, NPC fleets, hirable merc's etc etc etc... No, I think my imagination is up to the task - the people that state they are happy with the game I tend to find are actually those with smaller imaginations, or perhaps smaller expectations.

Are you really happy that you have explored your 57th ice planet that .. looked... ummm...exactly like the last 56? I'm not - where are my points of interest, where is my detailed, meaningful scan full of mineral reports? Where is my rush to get back and sell the data of the largest Deuterium deposit found on an Ice Planet thus far before that other prospector gets in first??? Nowhere - I'm just off to meaninglessly scan that 58th Ice Planet...

The problem with selling someone something based on vague promises and delusions of grandeur is that someday someone might actually want you to deliver...
 
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