A Lavigny-Duval Cycle Two Target Discussion

fergal · Jun 11, 2015

CMDR edgar has an excellent list of targets for preparation here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/...kD-2DnQczoSeZZyRrUZN21o/edit?usp=docslist_api
reddit weekly targets: http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteLavigny/comments/39hsr8/weekly_orders_thread_week_of_june_11th/
reddit preparation discussion: http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteLavigny/comments/39o5wy/preparation_suggestions_and_discussion/

All Controlled Systems are Fortified over 100%
There is no benefit from fortifying further. Everything is at Maximum Levels.
All Expansion Systems are over their threshold and defeating our enemies
There is no need to contribute to expansion missions right now. All are winning by a large margin.
All of Hudsons and Winters Control Systems have been undermined to 100%
There is no benefit in undermining their Fortifications further.

Zeta Trianguli Australis is on a knifes edge!

Winters is making a last minute push on ZTA!

Stop Prepping Guathiti, Yab Camalo.

Pancienses is probably secure. We need to ensure none of the existing systems we want fall off the list.
Yab Camalo will probably stay on our list, so we want to focus on keeping these 4 systems in the list:
Teliadjali
Ngarawe
Hip 21778
Nagi
Focus on whichever one is lowest, Nagi right now.

Systems to discuss for next cycle:

UGP 120 Expansion Cost: 181 CC Radius Income: 155 CC Upkeep: 26 CC Potential Profit: 129 CC Nearest Station: 260 LS (Amundsen City, Large)
OR (they are within 15 ly)
Biliri Patronage, Industrial, 109 CC. Large station 560ls. 68LY from Capital.

Kalivunian 79CC patronage 183 ls large station extraction industrial
Zemetii Patronage, Industrial Extraction. 70 CC. Lots of Large stations, closest 38ls. 70LY from Capital.
Hip 29444 Patronage, Hi Tech. Only 40 CC but has good supply of parts and Diamondback Scout and Explorer for sale (which I believe we don't have in our territory) 50LY from Capital.
Nyalayan patronage 78 CC agri refinery 55 ls large station 108 ly from Capital
CD-31 2366 patronage 98 CC agri industrial 600 ls large station 65 ly from Capital

Andonnus is within 15 LY of Ngarawe. You can't get 2 control systems within 15 ly of each other. Stop prepping Andonnus.
When you are on the expansion view and place the cursor over a system, the systems in the 15 ly bubble around it will change colour to a white/blue. You can see both Andonnus and Ngaraew are too close:

Same deal with these 2. Both systems are nothing special, but we can't have both because they are within 15 ly of each other:

edgar · Jun 11, 2015

Cycle Two Preparation Candidates - A.Lavigny-Duval
The following Systems are recommended for Preparation for the current Cycle of Powerplay:

*ADVISORY*: DO NOT PREPAREGUATHITI. DO NOT PREPARE YAB CAMALO (These are LOSS MAKERS).

Please Prepare:

HIP 21778
TELIADJALI
NGARAWE
NAGI
KALIVUNIAN

AB PICTORIS
Expansion Cost 180 CC
Income +138 CC/w
Upkeep -22 CC/w
Potential Profit 116 CC/w
(Empire, Corporate, Industrial, Pop. 5.3M)

Imperial Non-Attrition: Located on our upper frontier, away from other Imperial Powers.
Strategic Value: helps to support our Undermining tasks in Federation space.
System Features: a single Coriolis Station at 1739.31LS out.
Easy Preparation: 22.67LY to nearest Control System at DELTA DORADUS.

NAGI
Expansion Cost 152 CC
Income +130 CC/w
Upkeep -22 CC/w
Potential Profit 108 CC/w
(Empire, Patronage, Industrial/Extraction, Pop. 18.5M)

Imperial Non-Attrition: Located on the opposite side of the Empire from other Imperial Powers.
Patronage: Lavigny-Duval Expansion attempts are Stronger against Patronage governments.
Protected: a High Value CC Target in our backyard, but remote from other Powers.
System Features: main Station at 1466.29LS out.
Easy Preparation: 43.78LY to nearest Control Station / HQ at KAMADHENU.

NGARAWE
Expansion Cost 160 CC
Income +126 CC/w
Upkeep -28 CC/w
Potential Profit 98 CC/w
(Empire, Patronage, Industrial/Extraction, Pop. 8.8M)

Imperial Non-Attrition: Located on the opposite side of the Empire from other Imperial Powers.
High Tech: a High-Tech Economy is available within 15LYs at ANDONNUS.
Patronage: Lavigny-Duval Expansion attempts are Stronger against Patronage governments.
Protected: a High Value CC Target in our backyard, but remote from other Powers.
System Features: Coriolis Station at 35.21LS out.
Easy Preparation: 23.36LY to nearest Control System at KUUKU.

VODYANES
Expansion Cost 138 CC
Income +115 CC/w
Upkeep -23 CC/w
Potential Profit 92 CC/w
(Empire, Patronage, Agriculture/Industrial, Pop. 1.0B)

Imperial Non-Attrition: Located on the opposite side of the Empire from other Imperial Powers.
Strategic Value: helps to support our Undermining tasks in Federation space.
Patronage: Lavigny-Duval Expansion attempts are Stronger against Patronage governments.
System Features: nearest Station only 25.74LS out.
Easy Preparation: 31.34LY to nearest Control System at CALHUACAN.

Why Prepare these Systems?

AB Pictoris, and Nagi are located in High-Yield regions on our immediate frontiers, in directions away from rival Powers: We should consolidate our natural borders as a priority.
Vodyanes offers a mix of benefits, particularly its strategic location.
All of these Systems are sound investments, and relatively inaccessible to our rivals; Hard for them to reach, easy for us to protect.
Taking these systems should not be seen as threatening to other Imperial Powers, hopefully reducing tensions (Imperial Non-Attrition).

We must take these High-Yield frontier Systems, or we are at risk of them falling to our rivals.
We cannot allow rival Powers to establish more enclaves and beachheads in our midst!
We need to be focused, and not allow unsuitable Preparation Candidates into the Top Ten.

We must not be hobbled by poorly located, low-yield Systems in the List again.

Poseidal · Jun 11, 2015

Mudhrid for the highest potential income and a foot in the door for the Zeta Fornacis region of systems.

jgm · Jun 11, 2015

I worry about Ngarawe because if we take it there are other nearby systems which if controlled could put most of the CC generating systems in to dispute. If we prepare here we leave ourselves open to someone taking one of the relatively close systems such as Brigusia and stopping us from exploiting a lot of the high-value systems in that sphere. For that reason I'd suggest that we aim for Jen Kunguru and Camuten. Although this is two systems rather than one, and will slow us down elsewhere, it forms a much stronger barrier and keeps our high-income systems safe from dispute.

Trafalgar Law · Jun 11, 2015

I'm heading to AB Pictoris. Mudhrid is a bit far for my Courier.

Edit: or I would be if I didn't just get booted from the game

fergal · Jun 11, 2015

I've delivered 50T to VODYANES, but it still says no system has reached the 50T limit to appear on the list.

Lutni is a system I think we should consider, since it didn't go through from last cycle. That may be a bug, there might be a 4 system expansion limit. I'd wait an see what happens before delivering to there.

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Trafalgar Law said:
I'm heading to AB Pictoris. Mudhrid is a bit far for my Courier.

Edit: or I would be if I didn't just get booted from the game

yeah I got some first world problems here, I get 25T of reports for free now, I just made it to 1500 merits I think, 16T of cargo space in my courier is the most I could really spare. Might be able to squeeze 20.

Dbrn47 · Jun 11, 2015

What's the expansion attempt priority? Obviously all is ideal, but give me one to focus on first. I'll get to it after I get some sleep.

Trafalgar Law · Jun 11, 2015

Btw I think you need 100 to prepare a system. It says Prepare Progress 20/100.

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We need to move faster we've already got a 14cc and a 31cc on the list.

Dimdam · Jun 11, 2015

*sigh* this early cycling of the game made me loose a rank which sucks. rip all my money next week

Iori · Jun 11, 2015

I say we focus half of our efforts in isolating Aisling and the other half in exploiting juicy green.

HeimdallofHavn · Jun 11, 2015

BTW, are the expansion targets correct? I see 3 for every power

stealth bump

fergal · Jun 11, 2015

Most of the powers expansion lists look like there is something wrong with them.
Would be nice to see some sort of official summary and an explanation as to why some were lost and won.

Vaka and Dorgzi are taken by Patraus, I don't think they were high enough on his list.

We got some loser systems in our preparation list already, need to stomp them out before its a problem again.

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HeimdallofHavn said:
BTW, are the expansion targets correct? I see 3 for every power

stealth bump

we have 4, should be 6 though.

Trafalgar Law · Jun 11, 2015

HeimdallofHavn said:
BTW, are the expansion targets correct? I see 3 for every power

stealth bump

Yep we've got 4.

Dbrn47 · Jun 11, 2015

Don't forget to spend your preparation nominations. I believe this increases the chance that these systems will be picked over others out of the top 10.

Trafalgar Law · Jun 11, 2015

fergal said:
Most of the powers expansion lists look like there is something wrong with them.
Would be nice to see some sort of official summary and an explanation as to why some were lost and won.

Vaka and Dorgzi are taken by Patraus, I don't think they were high enough on his list.

We got some loser systems in our preparation list already, need to stomp them out before its a problem again.

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we have 4, should be 6 though.

Yeah we need to get Guathiti and yab Camalo off that list.

Dbrn47 · Jun 11, 2015

Carverda is already 503 in. Who are these people that are just prepping random systems hardcore? I mean, it's worth 116 I guess, costs 160.

HeimdallofHavn · Jun 11, 2015

fergal said:
Most of the powers expansion lists look like there is something wrong with them.
Would be nice to see some sort of official summary and an explanation as to why some were lost and won.

Vaka and Dorgzi are taken by Patraus, I don't think they were high enough on his list.

We got some loser systems in our preparation list already, need to stomp them out before its a problem again.

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we have 4, should be 6 though.

Yeah, I was suggesting that during the beta, that a weekly report of sorts would be very useful and really should have been included in the release.

I plan to pledge later today so hopefully I can help. Commited to a bunch of missions last night that I need to finish

And, I am might end up with Princess Blue Hair.

Interesting to see how the different powers get organised...

Darshendros the Eternal · Jun 11, 2015

Carverda and HIP 18714 are in the same sector (they're both on the list, so far). Pick one or the other. Wasteful to do both if they're within each others' spheres.

fergal · Jun 11, 2015

Darshendros the Eternal said:
Carverda and HIP 18714 are in the same sector (they're both on the list, so far). Pick one or the other. Wasteful to do both if they're within each others' spheres.

Agree, taking both will reduce both of their incomes.
Caverda should have been on our expansion list, it looks slightly better.

Dbrn47 · Jun 11, 2015

If we can agree on one, I'll toss my nomination to it. Can't do much prepping in a Vulture, so I'll have to make sure our expansions go through.