A Lavigny-Duval Supporters, Stop Prepping Peraesii and Guathiti

[fergal]

Peraesii is worth -14 CC and is right on our border. It has no strategic value and loses us CC.
Its actually hard to believe anyone would legitimately want this system, other than someone trying to undermine our systems.
If you actually have a reason for taking this system, that is in the interests of ALD, please share.


Guathiti is worth only 14 CC. Its off with Kamocan, so I assume the group that prepped that last cycle is responsible.
If so, there must be a better target over there than this. It will take 7 weeks to recoup that amount of CC.

*edit, and stop prepping Hip 18714, its right next to Carverda which is number 1 on our list.
We want to take systems that are more than 15 LY apart or else they will decrease the amount of money they collect from their exploited systems.
We will not get 115 CC for Hip 18714 like it says.

 

[fergal]

I just LOLed at some of the prep targets the other Powers have right now
Maybe there isn't a specific effort to undermine our systems, just players not understanding how to help.

2 of the ones I've seen are actually inside their borders already.

 

[HeavyGroovez]

Peraesii is a very good system - its a very cheap Palladium source with systems close to the parent star. Im surprised that its only worth peanuts in the PP context.



Which begs the question. Do we pursue a system based purely on its CC generating value or its potential wealth generation and strategic value in *real* money ?

 

[Trafalgar Law]

Peraesii is a very good system. Im surprised that its only worth peanuts in the PP context.



Which begs the question. Do we pursue a system based purely on its CC generating value or its potential wealth generation and strategic value in *real* money ?

On it's cc. Currently there's no way to get rid of unprofitable systems so we don't want to be landed with a system that will hinder our future expansion.

 

[fergal]

Peraesii is a very good system - its a very cheap Palladium source with systems close to the parent star. Im surprised that its only worth peanuts in the PP context.



Which begs the question. Do we pursue a system based purely on its CC generating value or its potential wealth generation and strategic value in *real* money ?

You can trade there if it isn't one of our systems.
The value of a system is from the collective systems in the 15 LY bubble.
There is only 2 systems in the "bubble", thats why its not worth anything.

When you see a "green" system, that isn't because that system is particularly good, its because all of the systems near it collectively are good.

We need to make sure we don't pick systems that are closer than 15 ly from each other so they don't overlap.

 

[HeavyGroovez]

On it's cc. Currently there's no way to get rid of unprofitable systems so we don't want to be landed with a system that will phinder our future expansion.

In order to expand we need to control wealthy extraction systems that we can use to trade out of in relative safety in order to generate the moolah required to generate the merits that will support the expansion.

 

[Trafalgar Law]

As Lavigny-Duval we get no advantage to trade by controlling any system. Nothing is stopping you from trading there, but we gain absolutely nothing (in fact we lose) by controlling it.

 

[fergal]

In order to expand we need to control wealthy extraction systems that we can use to trade out of in relative safety in order to generate the moolah required to generate the merits that will support the expansion.

Not exactly true.
We get no trade advantage from having a system in our territory.
The only bonus we have is increasing bounty hunting earnings.
You are just as safe in our territory as the territory of any of the 3 other Imperial Powers.

In fact trading into some of their system is a good way to earn money.

 

[HeavyGroovez]

Not exactly true.
We get no trade advantage from having a system in our territory.
The only bonus we have is increasing bounty hunting earnings.
You are just as safe in our territory as the territory of any of the 3 other Imperial Powers.

In fact trading into some of their system is a good way to earn money.

I have been making a bundle in Torvals systems - because Imperial Slaves.


This whole gig is going to come down to Condas max trucking in the most profitable spots and turning it into merits to support the power.

 

[fergal]

I have been making a bundle in Torvals systems - because Imperial Slaves.


This whole gig is going to come down to Condas max trucking in the most profitable spots and turning it into merits to support the power.

See, you agree.
No reason to have that system be one of our control systems, it has no systems next to it to be exploited.
The CC comes form the exploited systems, not just the system you take over.

Whoever is still pushing Guathiti, its too close to our existing exploited systems, and it also conflicts with Lutni.
Lutni is a much better candidate, Guathiti will only gather 14 CC from the systems next to it.

 

[Falk Schütze]

Peraesii is worth -14 CC and is right on our border. It has no strategic value and loses us CC.
Its actually hard to believe anyone would legitimately want this system, other than someone trying to undermine our systems.
If you actually have a reason for taking this system, that is in the interests of ALD, please share.


Guathiti is worth only 14 CC. Its off with Kamocan, so I assume the group that prepped that last cycle is responsible.
If so, there must be a better target over there than this. It will take 7 weeks to recoup that amount of CC.

*edit, and stop prepping Hip 18714, its right next to Carverda which is number 1 on our list.
We want to take systems that are more than 15 LY apart or else they will decrease the amount of money they collect from their exploited systems.
We will not get 115 CC for Hip 18714 like it says.

+1

and don't trust what HeavyGroovez says. Few days ago an anti-human organization named GOONS coming from EvE Online posted on another website that they want to collapse Princess Arissa Lavigny-Duval. They do this for the fun of making other players feel sad.

If you prepare Peraesii or Guathiti you help them achieve their goal, as they pledged support to Arissa to prepare loss-making systems to bring her down.

 

[fergal]

+1

and don't trust what HeavyGroovez says. Few days ago an anti-human organization named GOONS coming from EvE Online posted on another website that they want to collapse Princess Arissa Lavigny-Duval. They do this for the fun of making other players feel sad.

If you prepare Peraesii or Guathiti you help them achieve their goal, as they pledged support to Arissa to prepare loss-making systems to bring her down.

I'd prefer to give everyone the benefit of doubt in regards to the purposefully trying to sabotage a Power they have joined.
If a player is actually doing that I would say they are taking advantage of a game play exploit.
Not necessarily because a player shouldn't be able to attack a Power in this way, but because there doesn't seem to be any way for a Power to expel a member, or counteract their sabotage.

There doesn't seem to be any consequence to this behavior, if it is actually happening. A Power would be able to detect such poor system preparation and expose the individuals responsible, put them on their hostile list, just like any enemy agent.
Until its added to the crime system somehow, I'd say its no different from ramming landing ships to death, or getting a players point defense to shoot at the station, and making the station blow them up.

 

[HeavyGroovez]

+1

and don't trust what HeavyGroovez says. Few days ago an anti-human organization named GOONS coming from EvE Online posted on another website that they want to collapse Princess Arissa Lavigny-Duval. They do this for the fun of making other players feel sad.

If you prepare Peraesii or Guathiti you help them achieve their goal, as they pledged support to Arissa to prepare loss-making systems to bring her down.

Have you been to Peraesii ?

 

[TaoZero5]

+1

and don't trust what HeavyGroovez says. Few days ago an anti-human organization named GOONS coming from EvE Online posted on another website that they want to collapse Princess Arissa Lavigny-Duval. They do this for the fun of making other players feel sad.

If you prepare Peraesii or Guathiti you help them achieve their goal, as they pledged support to Arissa to prepare loss-making systems to bring her down.

I saw that post by the pro-goon-pro ( or was it the CODE ? ) and it seems to be that a number of 'infiltrators' have pledged to Arissa in order to cause over-spend and subsequent collapse.
A bit brilliantly twisted in their twistedly brilliant (and only mildly annoying) way. Fifth Columnists. Nerd-Ninjas.
But Hey! It keeps them off the streets.

 

[fergal]

Have you been to Peraesii ?

Its an extraction system with nothing to exploit around it.
Its worthless for PP.
Taking it over is a hindrance to our Power.

Either you don't understand how PP works, or you are trying to harm ALD.
I hope you don't understand how PP works.

 

[fergal]

Well the joke is on the goons, if they actually exist. The ED servers have done more damage to us than they were.

 

[CMDR Memphis]

It is funny to me that the system implemented is almost a democracy. It would make more sense if the power leaders would pick from the prepped systems according to their AI (or, you know, a staffer at FD once a week). That way, it would be harder to undermine and more logical. But I guess they wanted the players to feel more empowered.
Another way would be that the power leader at least adjusts the system according to CC-income or strategic value, so it is possible to undermine by prepping a worthless system, but harder.

 

[Zhang]

Bumping this up for the ones just getting on.

Do NOT prep Peraesii - it's a NEGATIVE -14cc system.
Do NOT prep Guathiti - it's a NEGATIVE -2cc system.

Guathiti is at Number 1 on our Preparation List. It will hurt us by MINUS 2 CC.
Peraesii is at Number 4. It will hurt us by MINUS 14 CC.


Whether or not these are up there because of deliberate sabotage or not is irrelevant. We just need to purge them both from the Top Ten.


Suggested we increase efforts at AB PICTORIS, NGARAWE, and VODYANES in order to push the harmful systems out of the Top 5.

Peraesii is worth -14 CC and is right on our border. It has no strategic value and loses us CC.
Its actually hard to believe anyone would legitimately want this system, other than someone trying to undermine our systems.
If you actually have a reason for taking this system, that is in the interests of ALD, please share.


Guathiti is worth only 14 CC. Its off with Kamocan, so I assume the group that prepped that last cycle is responsible.
If so, there must be a better target over there than this. It will take 7 weeks to recoup that amount of CC.

 

[Darshendros the Eternal]

If we can get a couple people to patrol these systems and stop people from delivering to them (if they're even playing in Open), that could help too. Whoever these people are prepping these -cc systems, they don't read the forums or reddit (or really are actively sabotaging the power). Redirect them to deliver their reports to more desirable systems.

Or destroy them.

 

[rightsideupsidedown]

If we can get a couple people to patrol these systems and stop people from delivering to them (if they're even playing in Open), that could help too. Whoever these people are prepping these -cc systems, they don't read the forums or reddit (or really are actively sabotaging the power). Redirect them to deliver their reports to more desirable systems. Or destroy them.

Yeah I'm trying to recoup some clipper loss right now then I wouldn't mind pledging and bringing a vulture down for some interrogation.