A plea for help and/or assistance from Savi for Equality!

Hello CMDR's

I'm CMDR Rhane, Leader of Equality. Equality has been a faction of peace and prosperity for independent pilots and a place of neutrality for PowerPlayers for months now. The Alliance have taken notice of this prosperity and decided to annex our home into their empire as a control system!

I ask that any pilots ready, willing, and sympathetic to our cause to help us remain an independent system state and oppose the Alliance expansion of the Savi system.

I myself, have temporarily joined the Winters power to reap the benefits of Alliance force destruction in the system of Savi.

Thank you for your time and hopefully, you assistance in keeping Savi free and democratic.

Hope to see you there and please don't shoot me because of my temporary pledge to Winters. 😉
 
Do you undestand what it means to annex a territory? The Alliance has made an enemy of us when there was no need to.

We will see Savi independent again. It is they who have brought conflict to us. Players still go on about how the Alliance is freedom. Well, where was our freedom when they just declaired our system for their expansion!? Every other power respected our neutrality EXCEPT for the Alliance!
 
Hello CMDR's

I'm CMDR Rhane, Leader of Equality. Equality has been a faction of peace and prosperity for independent pilots and a place of neutrality for PowerPlayers for months now. The Alliance have taken notice of this prosperity and decided to annex our home into their empire as a control system!

I ask that any pilots ready, willing, and sympathetic to our cause to help us remain an independent system state and oppose the Alliance expansion of the Savi system.

I myself, have temporarily joined the Winters power to reap the benefits of Alliance force destruction in the system of Savi.

Thank you for your time and hopefully, you assistance in keeping Savi free and democratic.

Hope to see you there and please don't shoot me because of my temporary pledge to Winters. 

I'll help you, if you help me later on.
 
I fully intend to return sincere favors towards Savi for Equality. You do understand that I'll need to know the full nature of the favor you would have me return.
 
Soooo, essentially you've made a home of Savi, and adopted the already existing Savi for Equality (fed aligned by the way, not independent) minor faction as 'yours'?!

Either way, what's happening matters little to the goings-on in the system. It's just part of the Power-Play meta-game. Hell, as it turns into a Control-System, the system will see an uptick in traffic and business as it'll get a lot of visits from whatever PP faction that have it as a Control System.

There's really no fighting it unless there is a concerted effort from hordes of players from a competing PP faction wanting to stop it. And considering that most PP factions are about as organized as a colony of cats, I don't see it happening. Unless you got a really big can of Tuna :)
 
No. Savi for Equality is a player faction and WE didn't want nor need Alliance assistance in trade traffic or anything else.

Funny that the Alliance didn't bother to inquire about any of this but I guess that goes to show their true nature.

Yes, Savi for Equality is a Federal minor player faction that promotes the purity of democracy. I meant NEUTRAL as we are not aligned with ANY powerplay power and respect advocates of those powers as long as they respect us. You can now imagine that the Alliance is NOT on that list.
 
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Hello CMDR's

I'm CMDR Rhane, Leader of Equality. Equality has been a faction of peace and prosperity for independent pilots and a place of neutrality for PowerPlayers for months now. The Alliance have taken notice of this prosperity and decided to annex our home into their empire as a control system!

I ask that any pilots ready, willing, and sympathetic to our cause to help us remain an independent system state and oppose the Alliance expansion of the Savi system.

I myself, have temporarily joined the Winters power to reap the benefits of Alliance force destruction in the system of Savi.

Thank you for your time and hopefully, you assistance in keeping Savi free and democratic.

Hope to see you there and please don't shoot me because of my temporary pledge to Winters. 
I strongly suggest you go to the Alliance Office of Statistics on Reddit and talk to them there. Their Teamspeak/Discord server will allow you to speak to them live.

I've always found them to be very reasonable people who are willing to accommodate independent groups. Something similar happened to my group, and we resisted initially, but talking to them sorted it far quicker and more effectively than active resistance - they've never tried since to expand into the systems we were concerned about.

They may not even know that it's a player-pushed system - your faction name is consistent with FD's naming conventions (something I appreciate and support,) but it does also effectively make your player faction "invisible" to visitors and the nomination might therefore be accidental.
 
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Funny that the Alliance didn't bother to inquire about any of this but I guess that goes to show their true nature.

Why would they? They are probably blissfully unaware of you even existing - and at any rate what system they try to expand into is based only on the CC profit they'll gain from it. And again, it matters little to the system and the system minor factions what PP faction controls or exploits the system. The entire PP meta-game have very little impact on the rest of the game, apart from the aforementioned increase in traffic to PP Control-Systems (and HQs obviously).

I would advice however to keep relations friendly with whatever PP faction got your system as a Control-System. If you start messing with them, as in try and stop them doing their PP business in your system, they can rain a lot of pain on your parade. Worst case scenario chase your player faction entirely out of the system. They are a lot more than you - and in reality there is nothing you can do to stop them. You'll only p!ss them off, which gains you nothing.
 
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@100thmonkey.....

I sincerely think that we are beyond that. You see, the Alliance made sure to secure own location to 100% by Saturday. The CC value of Savi is only 103 I believe. (I'm not within the game at the moment.). Their haste wasn't because of the CC value but to forcibly make our faction work for them! This is one of the main reasons I'm appealing to players and exposing the Alliance for what they really are.

One of their fold (obviously) is addressing this thread. Note this persons demeanor.

--We are going to make you work for us. There's nothing you can do about it and don't      us off!--

Does this sound like freedom to you?
 
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One of their fold (obviously) is addressing this thread. Note this persons demeanor.

--We are going to make you work for us. There's nothing you can do about it and don't us off!--

Don't put words in my mouth I did not say and try to attribute to me some kind of hidden agenda. I was merely giving good advice from a position of reason and experience.

I have no interest in Powerplay, and the player group I am the co-founder of is entirely Powerplay and major-faction neutral; contrail.enjin.com

Our experience is the opposite of yours, we turned a Hudson Control System from Fed to Independent as we adopted Anlave as our home-system. In the start we met a lot of opposition from Fed and Hudson die-hards, and had to fight very hard to keep our position and not least convince them of our benign intentions. And it have worked. We now got all of the orbital installations of Anlave after no less than 5 Civil Wars, and true to our word we welcome all to do their business in Anlave - including Hudsonites doing their Powerplay stuff - without any fear of interference from us. Quite the contrary, the only ones who will ever have anything to fear from us in Anlave, are those who's gotten themselves Wanted by our minor faction. All others will receive our help in Anlave should they ask for it.

So no, I am not one of 'their' (Alliance/Mahon) fold. Do your research before accusing people. My posting history here is easy to find...
 
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@100thmonkey.....

I sincerely think that we are beyond that. You see, the Alliance made sure to secure own location to 100% by Saturday. The CC value of Savi is only 103 I believe. (I'm not within the game at the moment.). Their haste wasn't because of the CC value but to forcibly make our faction work for them! This is one of the main reasons I'm appealing to players and exposing the Alliance for what they really are.

One of their fold (obviously) is addressing this thread. Note this persons demeanor.

--We are going to make you work for us. There's nothing you can do about it and don't us off!--

Does this sound like freedom to you?
To the best of my knowledge, CTRL aren't Alliance-aligned and have nothing to do with AOS, who co-ordinate the majority of Mahon's Powerplay activities.

It may be the case that the people who are pushing Savi are just merit-grinders and/or are not part of the AOS network. Either way, you'll never know until you talk to them. Mahon does have a CC deficit this week, so perhaps this has caused some urgency in the work. I don't know; I haven't talked to them about it - you'll have to do that.

I will repeat that we had a similar situation with Mahon expanding into systems that we didn't want PP in. speaking to the AOS sorted it.

Seriously - I doubt they even know you exist.
 
Don't put words in my mouth I did not say and try to attribute to me some kind of hidden agenda. I was merely giving good advice from a position of reason and experience.

I have no interest in Powerplay, and the player group I am the co-founder of is entirely Powerplay and major-faction neutral; contrail.enjin.com

Our experience is the opposite of yours, we turned a Hudson Control System from Fed to Independent as we adopted Anlave as our home-system. In the start we met a lot of opposition from Fed and Hudson die-hards, and had to fight very hard to keep our position and not least convince them of our benign intentions. And it have worked. We now got all of the orbital installations of Anlave after no less than 5 Civil Wars, and true to our word we welcome all to do their business in Anlave - including Hudsonites doing their Powerplay stuff - without any fear of interference from us. Quite the contrary, the only ones who will ever have anything to fear from us in Anlave, are those who's gotten themselves Wanted by our minor faction. All others will receive our help in Anlave should they ask for it.

So no, I am not one of 'their' (Alliance/Mahon) fold. Do your research before accusing people. My posting history here is easy to find...

Then you should have said that in the first place instead of going on like a xxxx for the Alliance. I understand what your saying but, well, your a xxxx giving advice.

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To the best of my knowledge, CTRL aren't Alliance-aligned and have nothing to do with AOS, who co-ordinate the majority of Mahon's Powerplay activities.

It may be the case that the people who are pushing Savi are just merit-grinders and/or are not part of the AOS network. Either way, you'll never know until you talk to them. Mahon does have a CC deficit this week, so perhaps this has caused some urgency in the work. I don't know; I haven't talked to them about it - you'll have to do that.

I will repeat that we had a similar situation with Mahon expanding into systems that we didn't want PP in. speaking to the AOS sorted it.

Seriously - I doubt they even know you exist.

Thanks for the info and information 100thMonkey. I'll see about talking to them as soon as I can.
 
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The CC value of Savi is only 103 I believe.
Given that pretty much every good system is already under control, 103 is probably one of the best expansions available for a Powerplay power.

ALD: five expansions this week, best is 77
Mahon: one expansion worth 103 (Savi)
Duval: one expansion worth 52
Patreus: one expansion worth 77
Delaine: one expansion worth 16
Others: no expansions this week

Best of luck in negotiating with or defeating Mahon, but you're probably going to have to do this most weeks versus one power or another.
 
The central Alliance PP group on reddit has an established policy of not expanding to systems with player groups who do not want that expansion. I can't speak for them as I'm not in PP any more, but they are friendly and approachable. Try to speak to CMDR Vectron or CMDR Stephen.
 
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The central Alliance PP group on reddit has an established policy of not expanding to systems with player groups who do not want that expansion. I can't speak for them as I'm not in PP any more, but they are friendly and approachable. Try to speak to CMDR Vectron or CMDR Stephen.

Seconded. Vectron (Martin Shou) responded positively to a PM regarding a similar situation with an alliance/pmf prep issue before.

If you get steam rollered do be sure to let everyone know.
 
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Do you undestand what it means to annex a territory? The Alliance has made an enemy of us when there was no need to.

We will see Savi independent again. It is they who have brought conflict to us. Players still go on about how the Alliance is freedom. Well, where was our freedom when they just declaired our system for their expansion!? Every other power respected our neutrality EXCEPT for the Alliance!

I'll be honest with you, I had no idea there was a player group in the area.

As for every other power, the only ones who are remotely close to Savi, and thus the only ones who'd be interested in the Savi area, are Hudson and Mahon - it'd be a loss maker for everyone else. It's easy enough to "respect your neutrality", when there's nothing to be gained from entering your area.

As for Mahon - it's not like this happened out of the blue. We put almost 40,000 merits into Savi during the last cycle and another 10,000 before you said anything on the forums. These aren't actions we can do invisibly and out of the blue - they've been a relatively steady stream of merits, and it is far easier for the player group being "invaded" to notice that, than it is for the power doing the "invading" that a player group has either adopted an existing faction or has created a faction with a name that looks exactly like any other random democratic faction in the game.

Look at it from our perspective - these are the factions in Savi:

* Savi for Equality
* Savi Systems
* New Savi Justice Party
* Future of Gautas
* Bureau of Savi Constitution Party
* Savi Organization

Which of these faction names are obviously player groups? There are likely a thousand factions called SystemName for Equality around the galaxy.

And just to add to that, Mahon generally gives a decent sized berth to player groups, and there are 65 populated systems within 30 light years of Savi. Which of the more than 300 factions with perfectly ordinary names in that bubble are player groups? We have no way of knowing. We've asked Frontier for a complete list of player factions and their location, but that has two issues:

1) Not all player groups are officially recognized as having adopted an existing faction (not saying anything about Savi for Equality)
2) Not all player groups want to be identified, and as such Frontier doesn't want to give out such a list

Anyway ...

There was and is no need to use language as if we set out to intentionally crush your player group into submission. It's not something we did on purpose, and given our history of interactions with player groups in the past, both ones that have been friendly towards Mahon, uninvolved in PowerPlay and even PowerPlay enemies to a certain extent, there is absolutely no need to assume that this was out intent. PowerPlay simply demands constant expansions, and Savi just happened to be the last even remotely profitable one left that makes sense for Mahon. The others are either in other player groups' territory or systems with no large pads.

What we can do in Mahon is try to keep our people from pushing Savi any more this cycle, but that isn't a guarantee that it'll stop expanding. Mahon has a fair amount of pledges, and they don't always check in on the subreddit for further information.

If we hadn't been in turmoil this cycle, we could do something more (aim for a shallow turmoil), but given that we already have Pongo in turmoil (and that is an extremely tasty system for almost everyone), turmoil is not an acceptable option for us.

I've been in contact with the other powers and asked them for help opposing Savi, and I'll be asking the other powers to help oppose Savi along with friendly player groups.

If we do end up winning Savi, we can try to turmoil it away later, but this is not an easy thing to do, and would require some coordination between your group and ours, but with a little bit of luck this cycle it shouldn't be necessary.
 
We ask any Mahon pledge to not push Savi any further. And we call any pledge of a different power to support Savi for Equality in opposing Mahon's expansion.
You can find the official request here: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteMahon/comments/507aol/please_do_not_push_our_savi_expansion_anymore/

CMDR Calrissian,

we are sincerely sorry to see your group in such an unfortunate situation. As Vectron already said, please be assured that we didn't know at all about you and your faction when we decided to expand into that region of space. We already avoided a bunch of expansions in the past for the sake of different player groups and their factions, whether they were Alliance aligned, Federation aligned, or independent. Those groups would probably confirm our co-operation and goodwill.

We'd really like to repeat this process for you, too. Unfortunately you noticed our efforts in your system pretty late - like 10 days after we started to push it - and you chose to start a thread on the forums rather than try to contact us directly, so a lot of valuable time has been used on the wrong side of this situation. As Vectron said, we can only stop our efforts and encourage every non-Mahon pledge to oppose the expansion now. I hope you will be successful, but it's gonna be tough. Anyway, it's your only chance to avoid the expansion.

This cycle will end at 7:00 a.m. ingame time this Thursday. We will follow the situation very closely, and we'd like to stay in contact with you regardless of the outcome of this cycle.

Fly safe.

Captain Kirby [Aid]
Alliance
 
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@ Martin Schou and Captain Kirby,

I thank you both for your responses and have a better understanding because of them. We appreciate the sentiment on behalf of the Alliance but we have several members that believe the damage is already done and PowerPlay is a largely flawed system. Several members, including those that have recently shown a willingness to join us, have expressed a desire to move on to a location where there will be no question as to whether a player minor faction is running the place. A vote has been established as we are a Democratic faction and our number is an odd one.

I'll be sure to make the results known here on Thursday after the cycle tic.
 
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