A remplacment for my T16000M ?

[Nosrik]

Hi.

I bought a hotas T160000M a while ago, and for months it has a problem on the yaw axis. Almost everytime there are input without me touching the joystick. Litteraly unplayable.
As I read several threads on the net, I found that this is a widespread issue for T16000M owners. I read about them trying to fix it, but with no success.

I thought about replacing my HOTAS with a different one. So I ask you : which one do you recommand ?

 

[Richie.A]

Depending where you are. In the UK the problem is going to be availability as nobody seems to have any at the moment. I think choices may be limited given the number of key bindings it needs.

 

[CMDR Jumper155]

Hi.

I bought a hotas T160000M a while ago, and for months it has a problem on the yaw axis. Almost everytime there are input without me touching the joystick. Litteraly unplayable.
As I read several threads on the net, I found that this is a widespread issue for T16000M owners. I read about them trying to fix it, but with no success.

I thought about replacing my HOTAS with a different one. So I ask you : which one do you recommand ?

I had same issues as you with that stick. It’s a VERY common problem. You can find videos on YT to fix.
I got tired of it and went to a VKB Gunfigher mk3 and never looked back. Expensive, yes; but absolutely love it.

 

[Ashnak]

which one do you recommand ?

This one (actually, two of them, plus the respective bases):

Constellation ALPHA [R]

★ Right hand variant ★ Metal Flip Trigger and Brake Lever ★ Material - Enhanced PU Plastic Construction ★ Flip trigger and dual stage trigger can be activated simultaneously for additional stages ★ Digital Brake Lever Axis ★ All-Metal Twist Axis Mechanism with Lockout ★ Adjustable hand rest...

virpil-controls.eu

 

[CMDR Jumper155]

Here’s what I’m using. AND most importantly it’s in stock (at least the premium right handed is for sure) Joystick

 

[LifesAJourney]

A rare situation...

 

[BelExandor]

I had nearly the same experience as you OP. I started with dual T16000s (and the throttle for utility). The left stick became weird after only a couple months. I bought dual VKB premiums and couldn't be happier. Given how ridiculously expensive Virpil is (and the fact that they never have stock) I couldn't justify them for meself. $1000 shipped just seems silly for two sticks. I got the VKBs for $370 shipped to me in the US. VKB isn't considered high end but they FEEL super high end after that thrustmaster trash. lol.

Edit: Not shilling. I have nothing to do with these companies.

 

[Madrax573]

Hi.

I bought a hotas T160000M a while ago, and for months it has a problem on the yaw axis. Almost everytime there are input without me touching the joystick. Litteraly unplayable.
As I read several threads on the net, I found that this is a widespread issue for T16000M owners. I read about them trying to fix it, but with no success.

I thought about replacing my HOTAS with a different one. So I ask you : which one do you recommand ?

This is a common problem for the T16k's which is easily fixed by swapping the twist pot for a halls effect sensor... I'll see if I can find my old link to the fix...

 

[Para Handy]

Hi.

I bought a hotas T160000M a while ago, and for months it has a problem on the yaw axis. Almost everytime there are input without me touching the joystick. Litteraly unplayable.
As I read several threads on the net, I found that this is a widespread issue for T16000M owners. I read about them trying to fix it, but with no success.

I thought about replacing my HOTAS with a different one. So I ask you : which one do you recommand ?

Short term - can you not lock the twist axis and fly without yaw? (Or use a yaw-to-roll button as I do with the CH Pro Fighterstick).

 

[Slange Lands]

I used to use the exact same Thrustmaster joystick, but also had the yaw problem. I tried fixing it several times. The fix would work for a day or two and then fail. I can take apart that joystick and put it together again in the dark.

You might consider going mouse and throttle if you are unable to find an ideal joystick.

I ended up flying mouse (Razer Naga Trinity) and Thrustmaster TWCS throttle for the following reasons.

1. Railgun aim: specifically Short Range Blaster rail guns were impossible for me to use with the joystick. I tried for months. Long range rails were fine, but I do organized PvP and SRB rails are a meta and really really fun. I tried the mouse one day out of frustration and could instantly use SRB rails. Yes, it took me months to learn to use the mouse well enough to get the same liquidity of feeling with rotationals, but to me it was well worth it because:

2. The maintenance and failure rate of the mouse compared to the joystick is zero.
3. Much cheaper in price.

4. I have small hands and am female. Mice fit my hand perfectly. I had to add all sorts of "prosthetics" to my joystick so my fingers could reach buttons more quickly and so that my wrists wouldn't hurt. I also had to take apart the joystick occasionally because I needed to grease the large spring because an ungreased spring made my hand hurt even more. Nyogel dampening grease is great, but sticky! Mice need no maintenance. The throttle I use likewise has been similarly adjusted, but I kept it because of the analog switches. And yes, the throttle has failed. I am now on number 3.

5. As a PvPer, my mind is so occupied with analyzing vectors, watching boosts and preturning, in addition to orbiting rocks without crashing into them, that immersion is lost only when my equipment fails or the game bugs out.

o7

 

[Nosrik]

Thank you for your responses ! I will try to fix the problem with your advices first. Then if it doesn't work, I'll take a look at the others HOTAS some of you suggested.

o7

 

[CMDR Jumper155]

I got the VKBs for $370 shipped to me in the US. VKB isn't considered high end but they FEEL super high end after that thrustmaster trash.

Not considered “high end”? You bought the lowest tier VKB “Gladiator” which only run $120-$150. I haven’t used the Gladiator, but I definitely consider the Gunfighter series as high end considering they start at $300+ to around $600 depending on the grip.

 

[Pville_Piper]

I recommend chucking them and going to to at least a VKB Gladiator NXT. I've pretty much given up on getting a replacement for my TWCS throttle as both pots on they finger axis are now wondering around like a lost dog in the forest. I will be ordering one soon.

 

[Riverside]

I'll echo the VKB Gladiator + space grip recommendations, it's got a plastic gimbal (base) but the quality is excellent & if it does break the modular design makes working on it much more user-friendly than the T-16000. I use one in combination with the Thrustmaster TWCS throttle. The premium version is better (and even comes with a screwdriver ) but the regular version is plenty & still better than the T16000 in every way imo.

 

[Lyvan Kitaen]

I'll agree with the Gladiator NXT too. It's probably the most affordable option if you want a decently made joystick with a lot of buttons and a twist axis. I have the model from right before the NXT, the Gladiator-K, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend their products.

If you have the money and the patience to get one, the premium option would be the Virpil Constellation Alpha.

I had a T16000 and it was junk. It was a relief to throw it in the trash.

 

[yorky3093]

Hi.

I bought a hotas T160000M a while ago, and for months it has a problem on the yaw axis. Almost everytime there are input without me touching the joystick. Litteraly unplayable.
As I read several threads on the net, I found that this is a widespread issue for T16000M owners. I read about them trying to fix it, but with no success.

I thought about replacing my HOTAS with a different one. So I ask you : which one do you recommand ?

Ok now, slow down on buying a new one. Literally yesterday I fixed mine and I was almost ready to put a hammer to it. Only 1hour ago I explained the fix on the forums so before you spend your£££ just spend a little time looking at my posts and you may find yourself an answer instead of a new stick. Good hunting, and I also found a small video on YouTube about it and to my surprise it works.

 

[Lyvan Kitaen]

The main issue with the T16000 twist axis fixes I've seen is that they're not permanent. The problem eventually returns. Often within a short period of time. IMO, the joystick is just poorly designed.

 

[Riverside]

The main issue with the T16000 twist axis fixes I've seen is that they're not permanent. The problem eventually returns. Often within a short period of time. IMO, the joystick is just poorly designed.

It's built to a pricepoint. For what it costs it's excellent, but the yaw is a problem. I didn't use yaw on the stick for a long time & the rest of it was robust but when I started using the twist axis (because the yaw axis on another controller wore out) it didn't last long

With the VKB space grip yaw is no longer an issue but the red thumb button stopped working after a few hundred hours. Fortunately there are plenty of other buttons to choose from though

 

[BirdWisdom]

Hi.

I bought a hotas T160000M a while ago, and for months it has a problem on the yaw axis. Almost everytime there are input without me touching the joystick. Litteraly unplayable.
As I read several threads on the net, I found that this is a widespread issue for T16000M owners. I read about them trying to fix it, but with no success.

I thought about replacing my HOTAS with a different one. So I ask you : which one do you recommand ?

If you have the guarantee, I would have submitted it, and the green T16000 is better than the orange one.

myself have the orange one and had problems with yaw axis but I fixed by re-soldering the yaw sensor and make sure the cords can move freely.

And you only need to open the Joystick handle to access the yaw axis sensor.

If that doesn't work, you can re-solder the cables from the other end, but then you unfortunately have to open the bottom base of the joystick.

Hope this helps

 

[Greybeard Seawolf]

I got about a year out of the T160000M before the same issue occurred, then a short while later the paddle switch on the throttle started triggering on it's own. It depends on your budget and judging from many of the reviews a lot of the mid-range Joystick/Throttles have issues. For this reason I bite the bullet and ordered the TM Warthog throttle when one showed up on Amazon. Yes it is expensive and yes I will be eating noodles for a while but when you see the build quality and feel the incredible weight of the thing, the smoothness of the throttle movement, the solid heavy duty feel of the switches. It's a thing of beauty. I started off on keyboard and mouse, reluctantly took a chance and tried switching to a T.Flight Hotas One and the difference was incredible it completely changed the game for me, the realism and immersion went through the roof. I had my T160000M throttle and joystick mounted on a computer chair but I don't think the chair could manage the weight of the Warthog so now I'm planning to build a cockpit seating rig with built in hotas, bucket seat and button boxes.

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