A season of expansions?

[fennster]

I was just thinking about how people say Horizons was not just the initial content, but a season of expansions. Well assuming 2.1 will be the looting and crafting addition, it has already been said that season 1 owner will have eventual access of this content, albeit a limited scope version of it.

I just wondering how much more of it will be available to all players, bearing in mind at no point should content stop being put into the base game.

It feels like character creation, multi-crews and launchable fighters is stuff that would come included into the space part of the game anyway, it certainly doesn't strike me as Horizons specific.

Am I right in thinking volcanism is the only planetary content that has been speculated about so far.

 

[davedf]

I don't expect any of this will be in the 1.x versions. I would expect 1.x to only be updated to continue functioning and be playable in the same shared universe. By playable I mean able to play rather than on an equal footing.

 

[Brownshortz]

I was actually wondering the same thing. I mean I bought Horizons so it doesn't really affect me, but if they say made a huge improvement to the mission system....then stuff like that would apply to all users I imagine....where applicable. Not sure about stuff like multi-crew.....I assume it is Horizon specific?

 

[Insane4un]

I was just thinking about how people say Horizons was not just the initial content, but a season of expansions. Well assuming 2.1 will be the looting and crafting addition, it has already been said that season 1 owner will have eventual access of this content, albeit a limited scope version of it.

I just wondering how much more of it will be available to all players, bearing in mind at no point should content stop being put into the base game.

It feels like character creation, multi-crews and launchable fighters is stuff that would come included into the space part of the game anyway, it certainly doesn't strike me as Horizons specific.

Am I right in thinking volcanism is the only planetary content that has been speculated about so far.

You just have to understand that Horizons not a game but season. And what is season? Season is a basicaly ALL updates in 2016. So it's like a season pass. For now we have Planetary landings. Next 2.1 is Craft. After that 2.2 - pilot jurnal and something else (we actually don't know much about it). Hope you get it now. Where will be a lot of stuff. Earthquake and seismic activity on the planet, and more more.. No, EARTHQUAKE. Did you get it? EARTHQUAKE goddamit.. So yea. Time is so.

 

[Luniticisi]

Looting and crafting has been confirmed for both season one and Horizons players ... stuff like character creation and multi crew (IMO) will be Horizons specific as you won't need character creation if your face is never going to be seen by anyone (as in you won't be able to board someones ship).
Ship launched fighters could easily be Horizons specific as it adds extra 'Stuff' to entice a sale .. FD may allow you to continue playing season one with everyone with the new expansions ... But they would much rather you to buy the new expansions.

So I expect that most of the headline features we have been told are coming in season 2 (except Looting and crafting) to be Horizons specific and the tweaks and touches to be for all versions.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I was just thinking about how people say Horizons was not just the initial content, but a season of expansions. Well assuming 2.1 will be the looting and crafting addition, it has already been said that season 1 owner will have eventual access of this content, albeit a limited scope version of it.

I just wondering how much more of it will be available to all players, bearing in mind at no point should content stop being put into the base game.

It feels like character creation, multi-crews and launchable fighters is stuff that would come included into the space part of the game anyway, it certainly doesn't strike me as Horizons specific.

Am I right in thinking volcanism is the only planetary content that has been speculated about so far.

Of course at some point they should stop adding content to the base game, what kind of entitlement demands eternal free updates? Anyway, multicrew and such are horizons a exclusive. 1.0 isn't "everything in space for free".

 

[LKx]

We can hardly guess what will happen.

They've already said that crafting will be eventually extended to season one, but we don't know if it's like that from the start.
Of course there will be some materials only avaible on ground surface.

About the rest, it depends on how much they want to push players to buy horizons. Since it's currently very barebone, and with few reasons to buy it for its price tag, i guess that they'll (rightfully) push it as much as they can, restricting everything that doesn't interfere with sesson 1 players interaction.

PS:btw, i think that in a few seasons there won't be "base game" anymore. I don't think it's realistic to have them maintain too many client versions, or too many switches, for a long time, and they can't just forbid the game to who have just season 1.
So, something like this will happen: around 4.0 they'll drop 1.15 and give 2.10 for free to anyone who own the base game.
I just don't know what will happen with 32bit clients, but hopefully it won't be an issue anymore by that time.

 

[edgar]

PS:btw, i think that in a few seasons there won't be "base game" anymore. I don't think it's realistic to have them maintain too many client versions, or too many switches, for a long time, and they can't just forbid the game to who have just season 1.
So, something like this will happen: around 4.0 they'll drop 1.15 and give 2.10 for free to anyone who own the base game.
I just don't know what will happen with 32bit clients, but hopefully it won't be an issue anymore by that time.

I also think this will happen - it doesn't make sense that Frontier would, in the future, sell Season 1, 2, 3, 4 etc as separate products. It would be confusing to new players, and would be too much work to maintain.

I think they will bundle all previous season content whenever a new season launches.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I also think this will happen - it doesn't make sense that Frontier would, in the future, sell Season 1, 2, 3, 4 etc as separate products. It would be confusing to new players, and would be too much work to maintain.

I think they will bundle all previous season content whenever a new season launches.

Yes, they explained it in a news letter. When you buy S3, you get the game and EDH with it.

 

[Haleks]

It feels like character creation, multi-crews and launchable fighters is stuff that would come included into the space part of the game anyway, it certainly doesn't strike me as Horizons specific.

I don't feel the same : how are they going to justify Horizons price if those aren't Horizons-exclusive?
I mean, what else is going to be added to season 2 if the above features are available to everyone?

...I don't have Horizons, mind you, so I really hope you're right on this...

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Of course at some point they should stop adding content to the base game, what kind of entitlement demands eternal free updates? Anyway, multicrew and such are horizons a exclusive. 1.0 isn't "everything in space for free".

So, we season 1 players only have access to crafting? Except that the required materials can only be found on planets, unless I missed something...

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

You have to remember that it's entirely possible to jump from playing Horizons (2.0) to playing 1.5 with the same commander. Therefore everything that you have acquired for your ship and/or commander needs to be available in both.

Or at least some of it where it makes sense.

 

[CMDR Heisenberg B. Damned]

So, we season 1 players only have access to crafting? Except that the required materials can only be found on planets, unless I missed something...

Crafting will have to be supported somehow, currently it's possible for a Horizons player to craft a bigger FSD range. In future crafting what if it can buff weapons/shields? Then we're in Pay to Win territory and DB's on record as saying he's totally opposed to that.

I expect either materials or crafted items will be available for purchase for 1.5 players.

 

[Ian Skippy]

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So, we season 1 players only have access to crafting? Except that the required materials can only be found on planets, unless I missed something...

Dont forget that, as with season1, the patches are likely to include a bunch of 'non-headliner' stuff: new ships, AI, performance tweaks, game-mechanics, missions etc. To a large extent these cant be too different between both versions, so if I were you these changes are the ones to anticipate. But the core 'selling points' of EDH cant be meaningfully added to the core game to any advanced degree without putting any more oil on the whole price-debate.

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Crafting will have to be supported somehow, currently it's possible for a Horizons player to craft a bigger FSD range. In future crafting what if it can buff weapons/shields? Then we're in Pay to Win territory and DB's on record as saying he's totally opposed to that.

We can already buff weapons up to 30% in 2.0. You cant really claim this is a big issue to you if you failed to notice it already happened.

 

[CMDR Heisenberg B. Damned]

We can already buff weapons up to 30% in 2.0. You cant really claim this is a big issue to you if you failed to notice it already happened.

I've got Horizons but not been doing any real combat (certainly not PvP) since Horizons. Mostly been blasting round on or above the surface and doing non-combat CG's.

So not a big issue to me at all but 30% better weapons only if you have Horizons that will be seen as Pay to Win, in fact it is Pay to Win. You pay Money you get access to better weapons that's what P2W is.

 

[Gold Member]

You really have to look at it like DLC. Any time an improvement is made to ED, it will apply to everyone. Every improvement to something that applies to Horizons, it will only be seen by Horizons owners.

A season doesn't mean they are going to stop improving or developing the core game that everyone will benefit from. Someone on another thread was saying he logged into the ED 64 bit by accident and even though the landing suite was on his ship the shop didn't have an option to buy a hangar. Similarly, someone else said if you park on a moon base and log into the game later with only the ED game, your ship will appear in space above the moon.

It looks like the additions in Horizons are very modular and the game is able to handle the different versions just fine. But this is like many other games with DLC where logging into servers with different game versions means any features of DLC that you have that the server isn't using will simply be invisible.

 

[LKx]

So, we season 1 players only have access to crafting? Except that the required materials can only be found on planets, unless I missed something...

Some of the materials will probably be avaible from other sources (eg. Asteroids), but not all of them, and probably not from the beginning.

 

[Henri]

so no multi crew with friends that did not get horizons?

 

[LKx]

so no multi crew with friends that did not get horizons?

We don't know yet, but it's likely to be restricted if you guess from a bussiness stand point... But again, we don't know yet

 

[Henri]

well I don't think a mixed crew can do planetfall so...

 

[lefty1117]

I have the opposite view from some in this thread, I actually think it's the looting that will be available to season 1 players and the crafting part will be available only to Horizons players.