A short tale of how FD lost another paying customer.

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So while I am sure the White Knights are already sharpening their pitch forks and lighting their torches, I will begin.

A friend of mine had been watching me play ED with great interest for the last year or so, regularly watching when I streamed and taking a general interest in the game until he got a PC that was able to run the game.

He had bought Horizons on its release with the hopes his high-end laptop would be able to play it but it just wasn't doing the game justice.
My friend lets call him "Bob" had been a fan of the Space game genre since original Elite, X-Wing, Wing Commander, Frontier 2 etc etc
Literally you couldn't get any more of a fanboy/target audience than Bob.

Excitedly after building his new super PC and getting Division out of the way, he started on ED and begin blazing his trail.
The first couple of weeks were the standard amazement of how great the game looked, how you could this and that. "OMG I HAVE A SPACESHIP"
He refused any starter credits from me and wouldn't take my advice to use the surface scan exploits for some easy cash.

No, he had waited for this game for long enough and by joe was he going to play it properly.

This lasted for two weeks, he had amassed around 30 million and had a fully specced Vulture.

He then asked me what else was there to do.... He had done all the mission types, run 5hrs of exploration to get access to Farseer, shot up a RES and CZ with me for bigger payouts, driven on a planet, spaced Ubered, CG'ed, mined and done lots of trading while watching CrunchyRoll. All the core "Content"

It was then i explained it to him, that he has experience pretty much all ED has to offer and all that is left is to repeat which ever task/tasks he found the most interesting to make money to afford a different ship. Or try and RP something enough to make it interesting. I had mention the BGS and Powerplay and pointed out that you just grind missions to make either a number go up on a screen or space bobs to change shape slightly.

The sound of shock was almost heart wrenching....

So I said to him, at this point most players start to look at PVP and recommended he tried pirating with me or just plain gank some players at a CG.

This was when I really broke him... I told him that like he had had to do with Farseer. He now had a whole bunch of really boring arbitrary tasks to complete to unlock all the engineers to make his ship stand a chance in PVP.

He did about a week of engineering and has now quit playing Elite Dangerous.

I very much doubt he is the only one who's Elite career has ended like this.

Did he get his money worth from the game - yes totally

Is this really the sort of player retention that FD wants? - I really hope not.

What is the point of this story - Maybe someone at FD will read that a player of exactly the demographic they want, just found their game empty, grindy and essentially after the honey moon period.... boring.
 
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So while I am sure the White Knights are already sharpening their pitch forks and lighting their torches, I will begin.

A friend of mine had been watching me play ED with great interest for the last year or so, regularly watching when I streamed and taking a general interest in the game until he got a PC that was able to run the game.

He had bought Horizons on its release with the hopes his high-end laptop would be able to play it but it just wasn't doing the game justice. y friend lets call him "Bob" had been a fan of the Space game genre since original Elite, X-Wing, Wing Commander, Frontier 2 etc etc
Literally you couldn't get any more of a fanboy/target audience than Bob.

Excitedly after building his new super PC and getting Division out of the way, he started on ED and begin blazing his trail.
The first couple of weeks were the standard amazement of how great the game looked, how you could this and that. "OMG I HAVE A SPACESHIP"
He refused any starter credits from me and wouldn't take my advice to use the surface scan exploits for some easy cash.

No, he had waited for this game for long enough and by joe was he going to play it properly.

This lasted for two weeks, he had amassed around 30 million and had a fully specced Vulture.

He then asked me what else was there to do.... He had done all the mission types, run 5hrs of exploration to get access to Farseer, shot up a RES and CZ with me for bigger payouts, driven on a planet, spaced Ubered, CG'ed, mined and done lots of trading while watching CrunchyRoll. All the core "Content"

It was then i explained it to him, that he has experience pretty much all ED has to offer and all that is left is to repeat which ever task/tasks he found the most interesting to make money to afford a different ship. Or try and RP something enough to make it interesting. I had mention the BGS and Powerplay and pointed out that you just grind missions to make either a number go up on a screen or space bobs to change shape slightly.

The sound of shock was almost heart wrenching....

So I said to him, at this point most players start to look at PVP and recommended he tried pirating with me or just plain gank some players at a CG.

This was when I really broke him... I told him that like he had had to do with Farseer. He now had a whole bunch of really boring arbitrary tasks to complete to unlock all the engineers to make his ship stand a chance in PVP.

He did about a week of engineering and has now quit playing Elite Dangerous.

I very much doubt he is the only one who's Elite career has ended like this.

Did he get his money worth from the game - yes totally

Is this really the sort of player retention that FD wants? - I really hope not.

What is the point of this story - Maybe someone at FD will read that a player of exactly the demographic they want, just found their game empty, grindy and essentially after the honey moon period.... boring.

I have a friend who is their perfect demographic. He bought ED when 2.1 launched and just got a new gpu for this game.

1) The above is true
2) The above is as garbage an argument for or against anything as the OP.

'My mate does/didnt like the game after x weeks so game is good/bad' is silly. But I think it is good enough for +-30 pages at least.

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Kinda sounds like you forced him down a path he didn't enjoy.

Edit: also, get him to post to the forums - getting advice from a wider audience will be better than advice from just one, jaded person.

"Yeah, everyone gets bored and then ganks people." :)
 
If I got to the point where I had to engineer, then focused my entire attention on gaining the materials and rep for grade fives, I'd get bored fast.
Every time someone makes gaining anything their sole reason to play, this will happen.
Playing the game by doing a bit of everything and engineering as and when you can will help.

I'm not saying its not possible to run out of ideas to keep you busy, or that the galaxy doesn't need a little more to do, but you did recommend that your friend grind the hell out of something..
 
Good story. It's exactly why we need more meaningful content, more events like in the original game (the hunt for the secret ship which suddenly popped up) etc.

It's a shame that this pearl of a game gets dull so fast due to the lack of meaningful gameplay. The repetition loop hits too hard after a few months. I enjoyed the game a lot but as your story tells, that's exactly what happens with many player and that's why they leave.

I really hope FDev stops adding more useless stuff that then still is tied to hunt, explore, trade. We need more events and ingame storytelling and stuff like this. But I think this is not going to happen as it's time and cost intensive to create this content and maybe even impossible due to the 'We procedurally create a massive universe but then can't get out of the procedurally generated content cage anymore'.

Let's see if SC does it better. Looks promising so far but well ... only time can tell.
 
Well you see "Bob", the word target audience is a very loose term that is very hard to apply. It encapsulates a large number of people that all want a number of slightly different things.
At the core, as a company, you can make moves to satisfy those. You will never make everybody happy. That's the nature of the beast.

Applying this to Frontier now I would say they are doing a rather splendid job. Sure, sure, some customers, like "Bob", fall by the wayside because it's not what they expected. Others however, like "Mike" (let's call him that) just found the game and joined recently. It's a natural fluctuation.

Now before we go into doomsday territory I've got to go, because that'd be speculation and we wouldn't want that do we?

In any way. "Bob", being an "Original 1984 Player" I'm sure you remember the premise of the original game?
I do. Even though I am only an "1993 Player". And I am quite happy with the direction the game is taking.
It's not a modern game but very close to what I played originally. For that, I love it. That's what I personally wanted.

Does that make you right or wrong? Of course not. Does that make me right or wrong? Not either. People differ.
That's all.

On a personal level Elite is rather brilliant imho. Not perfect. But great fun.
 
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Why is it when someone disagrees with a posters whine or whinge (semi-valid or not) they are a "white knight?"
Is it wrong for someone to like the game? People around here would sure like to make you think so. Is it cool or something to make constant "ED suxx"'posts? It must be.
Is ED great? Yes IMHO.
Is ED perfect? No of course not.

If you have a suggestion for something you like to see, a change, or a new feature, then great - go ahead and make it.
Then play the game. Or not if you feel that put out.
 
He did about a week of engineering and has now quit playing Elite Dangerous.

I very much doubt he is the only one who's Elite career has ended like this.

Did he get his money worth from the game - yes totally

Is this really the sort of player retention that FD wants? - I really hope not.

What is the point of this story - Maybe someone at FD will read that a player of exactly the demographic they want, just found their game empty, grindy and essentially after the honey moon period.... boring.

... And?

A cursory scan of the forums will quickly reveal that most pilots quit, then come back, quit, then come back. If your friend isn't the same, I'll be surprised.

Yes, the game is grindy. Yes, there's only a limited number of things to do. Yes, 2.3 doesn't really add anything to the core game. But it's what you make of it that counts. It's not about ticking boxes.

It's easy to take a break from the game. I went about a year without playing at all. It's much harder to ignore the call of the black when it gets under your skin... at least for me.
 
Oh wow.

You dragged him into a game and then when asked what he could do, you chose to drop him on the rocks as "yup game over?"

Sounds like your friend needs more exciting friends.

WHITE KNIGHT! WHITE KNIGHT!

Warning: +1 all criticism, no matter how silly, or risk becoming suspect. This forum is not for giving opinions, never mind using arguments, that contradict whining. Proceed at risk of getting private threats. :)
 
So I said to him, at this point most players start to look at PVP and recommended he tried pirating with me or just plain gank some players at a CG.

This was when I really broke him... I told him that like he had had to do with Farseer. He now had a whole bunch of really boring arbitrary tasks to complete to unlock all the engineers to make his ship stand a chance in PVP.

He did about a week of engineering and has now quit playing Elite Dangerous.

Have you considered going into sales or maybe motivational speaking?
 
Why is it when someone disagrees with a posters whine or whinge (semi-valid or not) they are a "white knight?"
Is it wrong for someone to like the game? People around here would sure like to make you think so. Is it cool or something to make constant "ED suxx"'posts? It must be.
Is ED great? Yes IMHO.
Is ED perfect? No of course not.

If you have a suggestion for something you like to see, a change, or a new feature, then great - go ahead and make it.
Then play the game. Or not if you feel that put out.

Its a way to prevent an honest discussion. By calling everyone who disagrees with a whine a white knight, and everyone who has some criticism a hater, everyone gets to stay in their safe little echo chamber. Make gratuitous use of the ignore list and then state everyone agrees with you. :p

Its a shame, as there is almost zero actual discussion or suggestions here any more. Just an endless "give me more, the son of my uncle's colleague doesnt like the game, everyone will leave, fire sandro or doom&gloom'.
 
Its a way to prevent an honest discussion. By calling everyone who disagrees with a whine a white knight, and everyone who has some criticism a hater, everyone gets to stay in their safe little echo chamber. Make gratuitous use of the ignore list and then state everyone agrees with you. :p

Its a shame, as there is almost zero actual discussion or suggestions here any more. Just an endless "give me more, the son of my uncle's colleague doesnt like the game, everyone will leave, fire sandro or doom&gloom'.

Or the old favourite "They owe us {thing}". Nope, no they don't. Their obligation to you ended when they provided the product you paid for (original Kickstarters notwithstanding).
 
"It was then i explained to him he had experienced pretty much all ED had to offer...."

Next time around, explain that before he/she buys the game.
That might be a better service to your friends.
 
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