General / Off-Topic A Special Day

Here in America it is Veterans Day. I would like to say a BIG thank you to all of the US CMDRs who put or are currently putting their lives on the line for our great country. I would also like to thank all of the Elite players who have put their lives on the line to serve their countries. You all bust/busted your butts to make your countries better places and ask for little to nothing in return. I hope you all have a relaxing day filled with epic space adventures. Fly safe CMDRs!
 
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We've recently been through another similar 'day', Remembrance Sunday.

They make it a Sunday to minimise the cost, since most people don't work on a Sunday.

Usual mix of petty ing over who wore what at the wreath laying bit, rants from fading celebritys and such cashing in with their opinions on those who don't wear a poppy.
 
We've recently been through another similar 'day', Remembrance Sunday.

They make it a Sunday to minimise the cost, since most people don't work on a Sunday.

Usual mix of petty ing over who wore what at the wreath laying bit, rants from fading celebritys and such cashing in with their opinions on those who don't wear a poppy.
Yep, another excuse for the press to give Corbin a hard time; Didn't bow enough! What?

I have done a couple of these and have to say, that sometimes the politicians taking over and pretending that they care etc, stopped me going. We all honour our heroes and lost friends in many ways and raising a salute to those that just want to bleed our nation dry, is not one of them, for me any-more.
 
We've recently been through another similar 'day', Remembrance Sunday.

They make it a Sunday to minimise the cost, since most people don't work on a Sunday.

Usual mix of petty ing over who wore what at the wreath laying bit, rants from fading celebritys and such cashing in with their opinions on those who don't wear a poppy.

Actually today was armistice day 11/11. We do the services on a Sunday, but generally we ask for two minutes silence at 11am. Most places I've worked or studied have observed this, and if they hadn't then I did it anyway.

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/remembrance/how-we-remember/two-minute-silence/
 
I observed both Silences, on Sunday and Today. My Grandfather and my Great Uncle both fought in WWII and survived. For each of the chimes of Big Ben I thought the words "Thank You" to all who fought for freedom, whether they survived or not. I do not know what the world would be like without the sacrifice that they gave, but I do not believe it would be any better than it is now, and it probably would be a lot worse.
 
Actually today was armistice day 11/11. We do the services on a Sunday, but generally we ask for two minutes silence at 11am. Most places I've worked or studied have observed this, and if they hadn't then I did it anyway.

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/remembrance/how-we-remember/two-minute-silence/

It is, but I referred to Remembrance Sunday. Small point to match yours.

I'm not against honouring fallen military personnel, or any others who give their lives in the service of their society.

I am utterly opposed to those that seek to use these terrible events to promote political patriotism or, as in the case of Barbara Windsor for example, to stoke the dying embers of their trashy careers.
 
As usual, on the 11th of the 11th, I went to a lonely statue of a soldier just outside the small Scottish village of Doune to lay my single, blue poppy there for a lost friend... and a few red ones for others I knew.

I met the same three older veterans there I meet every year. We shake hands, shed a tear or two and head off our seperate ways after a few quiet minutes of private reflection. We usually share a coffee and a smoke these days... since I started bringing a flask a few years ago.

I've never asked their names, nor they mine. It's enough that we shared a regiment, albeit at different times... and the lost friends. We call eachother by the generic British forces term 'Mate'. To a soldier, that means more than any title, accolade or decoration offered by a civilian.

I've never been able to suffer the bleating hypocrisy of a parade on any Sunday that isn't remembrance day just to satisfy random politicians and media who imagine that veterans care a jot about their desperate urge to show face.

We don't need a poppy or a parade to remember....And most of us would give up all the shiny tin medals and campaign ribbons just for a decent nights sleep.
 
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In France it is a holiday for the armistice

That was it's purpose here, originally.

When I first came to the UK in the mid 60s, that was certainly the sentiment. It was around 1969 that calls were made to have another day for WW2 and even Korea! I particularly remember because the peace movement was in full swing. It was then that the then government announced that it was to remember fallen soldiers for all conflicts.

That resulted in the later inclusion of soldiers killed in N Ireland. Though how what was supposed to be a policing operation in the UK came to be a military operation for the purposes of Remembrance Sunday is something we can all ponder. I know I will.

But it was Thatcher who really politicised the whole thing when, in the post Falkland's War jingoism, the right wing press started calling for special memorials to a great victory. (A bunch of boisterous, overly exuberance, 16 year old boys being 'arrested' by a few insane Britons and badly treated in an overcrowded Island jail. A bunch of poorly trained adults sent to rescue them being met by one of the most powerful military forces in the world, complete with gunships and nuclear submarines!) Thatcher announced that the Falklands conflict would naturally be added to the roll call of military honours remembered on Remembrance Sunday.

Don't forget, this is the UK, we can't have the working types having too many holidays or they might get the idea they are like their betters! But of much greater importance was the terminology. No longer rembering the fallen troops, now it is remembering the conflict in which they fell.

Frankly the whole thing is a disgusting celebration of a century of politically motivated mass murder, from WW1 to Iraq and Syria.

The troops did their duty. They acted as good troops always do, everywhere, with bravery determination and heroism.

But in any shape of form commemorating the orders to callous murder WW1, WW2, Korea, Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now the whole of the ME?

Forget it.
 

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Last year I took my kids to the forest of Compiegne where both the armistices were signed.

the original carriage was destroyed but they had another carriage set out how the original would have been.

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They have a very good museum there with hundreds of photos of WW1.

Well worth a visit if you are ever there.
 
We spent some time at the IWM North just outside Manchester last weekend.

I try always to make a point of distinguishing between the military personnel who put their lives on the line; and the politicians who send them. One of these groups deserves our gratitude...
 
I hope there comes a day the world remembers as one.

Until then, peace be with those lost to all. May you rest well.
 
That was it's purpose here, originally.

When I first came to the UK in the mid 60s, that was certainly the sentiment. It was around 1969 that calls were made to have another day for WW2 and even Korea! I particularly remember because the peace movement was in full swing. It was then that the then government announced that it was to remember fallen soldiers for all conflicts.

That resulted in the later inclusion of soldiers killed in N Ireland. Though how what was supposed to be a policing operation in the UK came to be a military operation for the purposes of Remembrance Sunday is something we can all ponder. I know I will.

But it was Thatcher who really politicised the whole thing when, in the post Falkland's War jingoism, the right wing press started calling for special memorials to a great victory. (A bunch of boisterous, overly exuberance, 16 year old boys being 'arrested' by a few insane Britons and badly treated in an overcrowded Island jail. A bunch of poorly trained adults sent to rescue them being met by one of the most powerful military forces in the world, complete with gunships and nuclear submarines!) Thatcher announced that the Falklands conflict would naturally be added to the roll call of military honours remembered on Remembrance Sunday.

Don't forget, this is the UK, we can't have the working types having too many holidays or they might get the idea they are like their betters! But of much greater importance was the terminology. No longer rembering the fallen troops, now it is remembering the conflict in which they fell.

Frankly the whole thing is a disgusting celebration of a century of politically motivated mass murder, from WW1 to Iraq and Syria.

The troops did their duty. They acted as good troops always do, everywhere, with bravery determination and heroism.

But in any shape of form commemorating the orders to callous murder WW1, WW2, Korea, Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now the whole of the ME?

Forget it.

Only politicians and civilians have the luxury of only chosing to remember a particular war of popular/unpopular choice. Soldiers simply remember their mates, irrespective of where and when they died. It's unfortunate that those memories are a frequent daily, or nightly, occurence for the rest of our lives. We also don't have the luxury of waiting for a particular day for those memories to return :)
 
Only politicians and civilians have the luxury of only chosing to remember a particular war of popular/unpopular choice. Soldiers simply remember their mates, irrespective of where and when they died. It's unfortunate that those memories are a frequent daily, or nightly, occurence for the rest of our lives. We also don't have the luxury of waiting for a particular day for those memories to return :)

Yep.

And the mental and physical wreckage of former military is testament to that reality.

It's so very say, so many lives ruined. If this damage occurred in any other profession the worker could sue the pants off those responsible. Yet in the military it is only in the last 10 years that any real recognition has been given to these tragedies. Scant recognition, little more than a token of the tens of thousands affected.
 
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