Modes A territorial game for PvPers?

[Kyokushin]

That's right, the only way to defend against PvE activity is through PvE activity. Why should direct PvP be required to complete PvE tasks? This 'nobody can stop you' nonsense is dead wrong, you even say so in the same post. Everyone has a direct counter available to counter any of those actions you mention. The trouble lies in the fact that you expect to shoehorn in a PvP solution to all of your worries. That's not how the game works. Learn to BGS. You can even BGS from open. Surprised?

Its not dead wrong.
You cant counter this argument so you are trying to diminish it by using a form or pseudo-eloquent rethorical questions. Please avoid it.

When i am playing BGS in Open, by fighting NPC anyone can stop me from it directly.
When i am playing BGS in Group i can stop and attack anyone.
When i am playing BGS in Group no one can stop me.

Simple as you know what. One way relation.

Its not about putting pew pew everywhere, but about a relationship between modes.
If someone do not want to have a direct player interation - fine for me - that person should be separated from others and should not influe a gameplay of people who are allowing that kind of interaction.

Current implementation is like cloacking device. In one hand - anyone can play that way, but in other hand its leading to pure nonsense.

The definition OverPowered is - if something can be countered by itself then it means its OP.
BGS play what you described is 100% fulfilling that definition.

Picking a game mode is not a picking a way which you will play. Its also picking an OP cap on invicibility.

Just balance sucks, and in that case, the balance is a way of implementation of separation between people who allow direct interations and these one who doesn't.

This is not about which game style is better. Everyone have his own preferences. Its just about poor design.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

So as Ziggy said then, you're only happy when you have the advantage.

Shame you bough a game where we can choose to ignore you and move on.

What advantage?

 

[Mohrgan]

As long as we are both flying in open we can outfit in any way we want. If you are avoiding oppositon by jumping to SOLO and min maxing there because you CANNOT min max this way in open thats a problem.



BGS is fine as long as your enemy is not grinding against you using an invisibility cloak.

Put on that 'magic cloak' and fight back. PvP isn't the driving force in the game, and you can equalize the situation with a click of your mouse. Boom.

The power is in your hands Commander. Use it wisely.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

He wants to play BGS. What he's complaining about is that when other players are opposing his BGS goals in Solo or Private there's nothing that he can do *directly* to stop them. In other words: You can't stop the opposition if you can't see 'em. Its actually pretty easy to see his POV. Its also easy to see the other side. A lot of players who stick to Solo never wanted to play the game as an MMO. The promised "offline" mode never became a reality. For those players "Solo" is the closest game mode to what they feel they were promised during the Kickstarter. These players could honestly care less how their actions affect players in Open or Private Group.

Not a problem with those players.

If they want to play a single player gane they have no buisness attacking other players PF from solo.

 

[Mohrgan]

Its not dead wrong.
You cant counter this argument so you are trying to diminish it by using a form or pseudo-eloquent rethorical questions. Please avoid it.

When i am playing BGS in Open, by fighting NPC anyone can stop me.
When i am playing BGS in Group i can stop anyone.
When i am playing BGS in Group anyone can stop me.

Simple as you know what. One way relation.

Its not about putting pew pew everywhere, but about a relationship between modes.
If someone do not want to have a direct player interation - fine for me - that person should be separated from others and should not influe a gameplay of people who are allowing that kind of interaction.

Current implementation is like cloacking device. In one hand - anyone can play that way, but in other hand its leading to pure nonsense.

The definition OverPowered is - if something can be countered by itself then it means its OP.
BGS play what you described is 100% fulfilling that definition.

Picking a game mode is not a picking a way which you will play. Its also picking an OP cap on invicibility.

We all have the same relationship with the Modes and the BGS. Your choice on how to use them doesn't trump mine, or anyone else's.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

As long as we are both flying in open we can outfit in any way we want.

As long as you are the one having the advantage.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Put on that 'magic cloak' and fight back. PvP isn't the driving force in the game, and you can equalize the situation with a click of your mouse. Boom.

The power is in your hands Commander. Use it wisely.

There is noone to fight back against, you cant see them trolling your PF. UA bombing or putting your faction in lockdown while farming cops in SOLO. Its a one way war, you just running cleaning up their mess.

As long as you are the one having the advantage.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

What advantage?

 

[Kyokushin]

We all have the same relationship with the Modes and the BGS. Your choice on how to use them doesn't trump mine, or anyone else's.

No, we don't.
I described why - twice.

Have a nice day - another discussion about that thing caused i just closed Elite and will play a ball with a daughter.

I though i will buy today a skin pack for FDL, but after deeper thinking - i will not.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

He wants to play BGS. What he's complaining about is that when other players are opposing his BGS goals in Solo or Private there's nothing that he can do *directly* to stop them.

No he complained about being forced to play the BGS.

 

[Jockey79]

He wants to play BGS. What he's complaining about is that when other players are opposing his BGS goals in Solo or Private there's nothing that he can do *directly* to stop them. In other words: You can't stop the opposition if you can't see 'em. Its actually pretty easy to see his POV. Its also easy to see the other side. A lot of players who stick to Solo never wanted to play the game as an MMO. The promised "offline" mode never became a reality. For those players "Solo" is the closest game mode to what they feel they were promised during the Kickstarter. These players could honestly care less how their actions affect players in Open or Private Group.

The game was never based on direct opposition to actions.
It was always a case of who can push the most PvE tokens about - which isn't a mode issue, as you can do that in any mode.

The error here is the assumption you can do anything to the BGs with direct PvP.

What advantage?

Your 4 engineered combat ships versus a Type 9 advantage.

But when the Type 9 gets fed up and goes to a PG or Solo, you complain about "their" advantage, despite them having to put up with your advantage.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

The game was never based on direct opposition to actions.
It was always a case of who can push the most PvE tokens about - which isn't a mode issue, as you can do that in any mode.

The error here is the assumption you can do anything to the BGs with direct PvP.



Your 4 engineered combat ships versus a Type 9 advantage.

But when the Type 9 gets fed up and goes to a PG or Solo, you complain about "their" advantage, despite them having to put up with your advantage.

If you put proper shields you will survive anything, if you min maxing a shieldless build to carry more cargo thats on you.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So we all agree the combat build in Open is at an advantage against other types of ships, since that's the only build suitable to be min maxed. This advantage is negated in other modes since all builds can enjoy this advantage.

 

[Jockey79]

So we all agree the combat build in Open is at an advantage against other types of ships, since that's the only build suitable to be min maxed. This advantage is negated in other modes since all builds can enjoy this advantage.

Yes.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

So we all agree the combat build in Open is at an advantage against other types of ships, since that's the only build suitable to be min maxed. This advantage is negated in other modes since all builds can enjoy this advantage.

Min maxed combat ship doesn't do much for the BGS. Your shieldless cutter does.

Min max ir dont min max is you to you, as long as we are all playing in the same mode.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Min maxed combat ship doesn't do much for the BGS. Your shieldless cutter does.

Min max ir dont min max is you to you, as long as we are all playing in the same mode.

Yeah I know. As long as you're the one with the advantage.

 

[Mohrgan]

No, we don't.
I described why - twice.

Have a nice day - another discussion about that thing caused i just closed Elite and will play a ball with a daughter.

I though i will buy today a skin pack for FDL, but after deeper thinking - i will not.

Your description implies that your choice to play in open is more valid than another players choice to play in Solo/PG. How can you justify that? You have the exact same opportunity to use Solo/PG, if you think there is an advantage in doing so, use it.

Now you think your purchases have an impact on the logical implications of choice. It doesn't. You'll just buy those skins another day.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I wonder why i even bother trying to make suggestions, it just ends up being the same old arguments going round and round (and hell, i got sucked in again).

From what i've read, the most vocal PvPers aren't interested in a PvP territorial game that doesn't require taking something away from other players.

Well, poo poo to you and to that.

Mods, lock this please, nobody is discussing the actual point of the thread, its an off-topic poo slinging thread.

 

[rootsrat]

Locked as requested.