Additional Foliage for the game

I would like to start this thread thanking the developers of Planet Zoo, and everyone associated with this magnificent game for the dedication you have shown in continuing to improve it.
As I find myself with a lot more time in my hands, I have managed to put together a number of suggestions associated with Foliage, an essential and much needed area within this simulation, and one that quite frankly has gone overlooked in this and other forums. While I'm very excited about the introduction of new zoo associated themes, and can not wait until new animal species are added to the game, foliage is the one aspect of the game that seems to be largely used by each player, yet not discussed to great lengths in these threads. The developers did a fantastic job in selecting plant species for this game, as they are highly detailed and realistic, I would like to point out however some areas that could be improved as well as expanded.

As we all know, the game has a large variety of African animal species, there is disproportion of species from this continent in comparison with others. This makes it possible to design zoo's that focused heavily on a lot African exhibits. The opposite can be said about the plants, there is a large variety of North American and European native trees, yet not enough African plants to match the animal diversity, and this takes away from the realism of the exhibits. I have well over 20 years of experience within the Zoo planning and design industry and during that time have come to understand that landscape architecture represents not only a very important area of modern zoo exhibit design, but it is also essential in promoting the conservation message that the Planet Zoo team has been so focus on creating within this game. Furthermore, plants are vital when designing guest areas, entrances and giving our zoos that realistic feel. I have watched many highly rated players design exhibits that all end up becoming very similar, mostly because of the restrictions on foliage, and while you can become very creative with it (I have pushed my imagination in every possible way to create unique designs) I would much rather have original created content from Planet Zoo in this area.


While you will not see me asking the team for any unicorns, dinosaurs or alien wildlife, (there is plenty of fantasy games out there) I would however ask you to please continue your efforts in making this game a realistic zoo simulation game and adding content that expands on that core mission. There is an immense variety of plants that can be added to the game, but since I'm not a game developer, and my knowledge in this area is limited, my recommendations will be based on what already exists within your world. I have worked with the tools and species already available in your industry while putting together this list of recommendations. It is my understanding that Planet Zoo works with speed tree as well as other programs, so the relationship is not exclusive, so I'm hoping that the foliage team can work with this already existing species and add them to the game. Since the plants are not animated, how difficult it is this process? Is there a restriction on how many plants can be added to the game? I ask this questions because I was always curious on the limited inclusion of species in the base game compared to building pieces for example, the diversity of species is somewhat limited.

I will be adding additional plant species to this thread covering other geographic areas, but though that Africa would be a great place to start, since we already have a number of animals species from this continent, and many of the exhibits being built by players are dedicated to African Species, any additions from this region would be welcomed. Foliage-African Doum Palm.jpgFoliage-African Mahogany.jpgfoliage-bushmans river cycad.jpgfoliage-dragon tree.jpgFoliage-Oleander tree.jpgFoliage-Senegal Date Palm.jpgFoliage-Tamarind.jpgFoliage-White Bird of Paradise.jpgFoliage-Egyptian Carissa.jpgfoliage-forest sandpaper fig.jpg
 
I would love to see more plants be added to the game. As you said, it can often feel very limiting building a habitat when trying to stick to the right foliage as there are not always much to chose from (the tropical foliage is extremly limited it feels like, and irl, that's the kind of foliage that have the most amount of diversity)
 
Absolutely agree - The plants a generally great in this game, but a little more variety would make it even better (i'm sure they'll come). Personally, my greatest wish is for some more Australian plants, because my zoo is set in Australia, especially a few eucalypt species (which I imagine will come when the animals do). I'd also really love more small shrubs, grasses and flowers (some more recolourable grasses would be great! - Perhaps you could suggest some African ones (I don't know African species of plants well enough to contribute very much)
 
Arrakai, I agree that when exploring the full available lineup of plant species in the game, the tropical selections are somewhat limited in comparison to others. It is extremely difficult to create a truly realistic tropical forest setting with what we have been provided so far. It is my hope that the upcoming dlc will change that.

ElectricMonk, It is my believe that the Oceania species were left out on purpose, to complement a future dlc, as there is truly an absolute lack of plant species, when in reality, this region holds some magnificent species, that extremely popular within some of the top zoos in the world. Lots of Oceania species are also used as complementary species in many landscape architectural projects worldwide. Planet Zoo developers have taken great measures, as we have all seen to inform themselves of many aspects within the world of zoo planning and design, so I have large expectations when it comes to this particular dlc. In any case i have compiled a list of species that might interest you and others. I will work on a list of shrubs, grasses and flowers as well.

Paul78, love the pictures and species, keep it going. It is also important to mention that the species selected have all great variation within the models created, making each one into a visually unique plant instead of a mirror copy of each other.

The next list however is Asia, this continent has two themes within the game, and comes second in the as far as animal models. I have a strong believe that it is Frontier's intention to add many species of animals to the animal roster, so let us hope that this also include many more species of Asian Plants, I have a few suggestions, and they will be separated in two parts, since we have two themes within the game that represent a very diverse continent with a large array of species that would improve drastically the quality and realism of the game. Asia-foliage Flame of the Forest.jpgAsia-Foliage-Apricot Tree.jpgAsia-Foliage-Ashoka Tree.jpgAsia-Foliage-Chinese Persimmon.jpgAsia-Foliage-Chinese Windmill Palm.jpgAsia-Foliage-Common Rhododendron.jpgAsia-Foliage-Curry Leaf Tree.jpgAsia-Foliage-Date Palm.jpgAsia-Foliage-Sugarcane.jpgAsia-Foliage-Temple Juniper.jpg
 
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Part 2 of the Asian Plants, there is just too many to choose from, and imagine how realistic would the Indian and East Asian theme areas look, if we had all of these selections available within the game. My question to frontier remains, how difficult, time consuming and possible would it be to have a realistic number of plant species within the roster.
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I would also love to see more flowers in the game, especially roses. There are so so many diferent kinds of beautiful roses in the world and as far as I know, not a single one of them are in the game. They may not be the best choice of plants to put in a habitat, but for other areas of the zoo they would be perfect, especially if you are building classic themed zoo's. Then it feels like something is missing when there are no roses to chose from
 
The next entry is an important one, since the developers have clearly left all keystone Australian animal species for a much anticipated future dlc. The same can be said about plant species from Oceania, in general, there is an absolute lack of them found within the game, a clear sign that they have been set aside to complement an either Australian or Oceania dlc. This will be a large entry, since unlike Africa and Asia, there are a multitude of base plant species, that one thinks of when imagining a theme outback area, or a zoo set in Oceania, that are for the moment non existing in Planet Zoo. In my involvement with the zoo planning and design industry and the experience there acquired, I have learned that palms tree species and ferns, are a great asset when properly placed and displayed within a zoo or theme park, they have the ability of immediately transporting visitors to remote locations of the planet, and in many cases provide a visual reward that few other plants can generate.

Within zoo's these plants, because of their shape, are outstanding when planting exhibits and their immediate areas, since they allow maximum continued visibility of other areas within the planned exhibit. In Planet Zoo, Palm trees are a great asset, when placing large trees in an exhibit I have noticed that the resolution of animals and objects changes drastically because of the lack of available light, this element of realism does somehow affect an otherwise visually stunning game. However the current palm tree species roster found within Planet Zoo is extremely limited. Luckily there are a large number of beautiful palm and fern species found in Oceania that hopefully find their way into the game's foliage roster.Oceania-Foliage-Alexandra Palm2.jpgOceania-Foliage-Australian Cabbage Palm3.jpgOceania-Foliage-Bangalow Palm1.jpgOceania-Foliage-Black Treefern 1.jpgOceania-Foliage-Bread Palm 1.jpgOceania-Foliage-Carnarvon Gorge Macrozamia2.jpgOceania-Foliage-Carpentaria Palm1.jpgOceania-Foliage-Hillebrand Palm4.jpgOceania-Foliage-Kentia Palm.jpgOceania-Foliage-King Palm.jpg
 
The third entry for Oceania, focuses on species native to Australia, as most members of the forum have been highly anticipating a future dlc that focuses on the wildlife found within this country, it is only fitting that a list of plants that can assist in recreating the outback, forest and woodland's of Australia come attached to animal species and thematic building and object pieces.

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This single Oceania entry has been reserved for a tree that while a member of the Eucalyptus Genus, it is in fact one of the only four Eucalyptus species not found within Australia, out of over 700 hundred of them. Yet this tree has been included in world class zoo exhibits representing Australia worldwide, this is in fact due to their striking nature, it is a show stopper, no matter where you place it. I remember a particular conversation where a colleague who was involved in the planning of a now award wining exhibit within a zoo, asked me for a suggestion for a striking tree, that would showcase a pathway leading to an exhibit, the Rainbow Eucalyptus was my suggestion, he replied that the tree was not native to Australia, but upon reviewing the material I sent him, he said, that had to be the tree. The foliage team for Planet Zoo would have an instant hit with this entry.

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Arrakai, I'm in agreement, excellent observation, when building a zoo exhibit within Planet Zoo, if a player is going for maximum realism, plant species placed within the exhibit should be given consideration, however, outside of the same exhibit area, or even strategically placed in an exhibit area where the animal species can not reach them, many flowering species of plants, bring life and character into the visual landscape. There is currently a lack of balance in the game when it comes to tropical species of flowers and small plants in comparison to tundra, temperate and even desert species. It is very similar to the African plants situation already addressed at the beginning of the thread, again the game has a very small number of animals from these climate zones, and a much bigger number of species from Africa and Asia. As an example, Africa has only a handful of flowering species represented within the game, making it very difficult to accurately represent any thematic area from this continent, in the way that real zoos would. I will have a section dedicated to just flowers and tropical understory plants, hopefully Frontier corrects this as soon as they are able.
 
Interesting. Actually i am designing Habitats at present and am fairly new to game. Now i am looking at Hippos, easy to keep and have added a Statue in an Island called Hippo Water Fountain (forgive me as can not find designer to credit him). Now Some plants are marked as Not suitable, is that a problem? or does it not matter?
Thanks to Danny_Zoo for ideas, just wish we could implicate them and our own designs in the game. instead of the bulk standard included. Not blaming game designer but we do need some capabilites to add. Hopefully this will be possible in near future.
 
Hello stdape2011, thank you for your comment, while I'm not a expert in the mechanics of the game, as my experience comes from the planning and design of real life zoo exhibits, it is my understanding that within the settings of the game, you can find an option to either turn down or disable specific animal needs. It might be helpful if one of the other forum members well verse in the mechanics and features of the game can assist with this. An idea I can give you, is to design the exhibit where the specific plants you want but are not suitable are close to key points in the barriers, and create the illusion of an immersive panorama. I can assure you, from what I have heard from the zoo world that the team assigned to Planet Zoo is extremely dedicated and it is very likely that in the future many of this species of plants as well as others not mentioned here might be added to the game. This is just my believe, based on what I have seen and heard, nothing official, but in any case, this threads do serve as helpful pointers to the developers. If there is enough demand within the community I'm sure the team in charge will add new content to areas that are currently lacking.

When it comes to plants it is such a delicate situation, because with the variety of building and scenery pieces that the game has provided, there are a multitude of styles and themes that can be created and interchanged with each other. Even themes not currently present have been adapted by the players, thanks to the flexibility of some of these pieces and of course the individuals imagination. However the same can not be said about foliage, if you browse the thousands of items in the workshop, a very small number of them are player's custom built plants. I can tell you that I have pushed the boundaries of imagination with what is currently available to create many species of trees and plants not available in the game. I even created a banyan and other tropical species of trees, since some of the large tropical species of trees found in the game are not realistic scale wise, to be found in a zoo setting, and when placed in the game, it makes it look a bit cartoonish and adds a sub real element to the game that I'm not interested in.

This is in no way to say that the players that are enthusiastic about this types of game, deserve any less, if some players want to buy the game and built fantasy and alien worlds, go for it, and enjoy the game. But i do have to say, that there is so many games out there that already offer this possibilities. Planet Coaster as an example, is another game by frontier that offers an amazing amount of content to create monumental theme parks and fantasylands. With Planet Zoo It is my hope that frontier, keeps in the direction of making it a realistic and engaging zoo simulation game. For this we need scenery pieces that are directly connected to the zoo world and not just genetic pieces, but most of all we need a much bigger number of animal species, and of course foliage. What is a zoo without plants?
 
I agree with that, i am not interested in Alien pieces etc but realistic Scenery. I prefer the Conservation and matching a good Habitat to their requirements. It is early in the game release and i am sure Frontier have some tricks up their sleeves. I do find it finicky building but hopefully that will be sorted
 
stdape2011, you are correct, the game is fairly new, and there are an infinitive number of possibilities for expansion. Keep on playing around with all the scenery and building components in the game and you will get the hang of it in no time. I had to figure many things out the hard way, since I had never played any other computer games besides this one since I was young, and for those that have played Planet Coaster before it gives them a big edge in the mechanics of building. But once you get caught up, the possibilities are endless, it is very addictive, especially for someone like me that has been around zoo exhibit planning and design for a very long time. There is a large community here, that provides very useful tutorials, etc for the game, and watching their videos has been instrumental.

FoxyDee, thank you, I'm currently putting together a few more foliage lists as well as zoo exhibit specific scenery that could take the game to new heights in realism, hopefully this thread gets enough momentum underneath it, and someone within the Planet Zoo foliage team actually reads it and takes it from there.
 
The next list of recommendations will encompass tropical and sub tropical plant species from Central America, South America and the Caribbean. As many players have pointed out, the game seems to be lacking substantially when it comes to small tropical plants, and recreating a realistic rainforest environment is very difficult with what is currently available. As it is the case with an Oceania expansion, I fully expect a dlc that represents species from the American Tropics. There are enough animal species here, not currently within the game roster, that would justify a large dlc.

This would be a great opportunity for the Planet Zoo team to continue with their conservation message and expand on it, by highlighting the close and essential relationship that plants and animals share within these natural habitats. It would also be a great time to add smaller plant species that would complement the larger species in recreating realistic rainforests theme areas.

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Interesting. Actually i am designing Habitats at present and am fairly new to game. Now i am looking at Hippos, easy to keep and have added a Statue in an Island called Hippo Water Fountain (forgive me as can not find designer to credit him). Now Some plants are marked as Not suitable, is that a problem? or does it not matter?
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As you can see on this Picture of my new Mandrill-Enclosure, it's possible to use unsuitable Plants if you mix them with suitable Plants.
You can even build a Enclosure where Plants aren't from the same Continent but from the same Biome / from the same Biome but not from the same Continent.
I think even though it doesn't show 100% Happiness in the Plant-Tab you can still get 100% Animal-Happiness if you get the other Things right
 
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